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Equality 7-2521 
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Joined: August 11 2005 Location: Philly Status: Offline Points: 15784 |
 Posted: March 21 2006 at 02:24 |
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I'm extremely conservative, then again Rush is my favorite band so maybe that affects it
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"One had to be a Newton to notice that the moon is falling, when everyone sees that it doesn't fall. "
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Ivan_Melgar_M
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Honorary Collaborator Joined: April 27 2004 Location: Peru Status: Offline Points: 19535 |
Posted: March 21 2006 at 02:35 |
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If Socialism is in the north, I'm in the south. Many of my friends are Progheads and none is remotely Socialist. Iván |
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grandoleopry
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Joined: June 12 2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 85 |
Posted: March 21 2006 at 08:01 |
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"Few styles of popular music have generated as much controversy as progressive rock, a musical genre best remembered today for its gargantuan stage shows, its fascination with epic subject matter drawn from science fiction, mythology, and fantasy literature, and above all for its attempts to combine classical music's sense of space and monumental scope with rock's raw power and energy. Its dazzling virtuosity and spectacular live concerts made it hugely popular with fans during the 1970s, who saw bands such as King Crimson, Emerson, Lake and Palmer, Yes, Genesis, Pink Floyd, and Jethro Tull bring a new level of depth and sophistication to rock. On the other hand, critics branded the elaborate concerts of these bands as self- indulgent and materialistic. They viewed progressive rock's classical/rock fusion attempts as elitist, a betrayal of rock's populist origins."...Rocking the Classics
Elitist, populist. This doesn't sound to socialistic to me. In fact critics hate prog because it does not reflect the us against the man mentality, the haves against the have nots,the the proletariat against the bourgeoisie They felt that rock was first and foremost a political tool for Marxist Ideal isms and that prog led people away from all the inequality and the injustice. This is why punk was praised as reviving the spirit of rock. The early prog bands were observationalists for the most part and madingley apolitical. Sorry, but in my view the absents of socialism in music was the reason prog was scorned, not embraced. |
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Dreams. Gabor Szabo (1968)
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Tony Fisher
Prog Reviewer 
Joined: April 30 2005 Location: England Status: Offline Points: 967 |
Posted: March 21 2006 at 08:11 |
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Rush have some rather unpleasant right wing views and that does not endear them to me at all. |
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aprusso
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Joined: June 16 2005 Status: Offline Points: 312 |
Posted: March 21 2006 at 08:48 |
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I am communist and I am very much into prog. I think prog would be good for educating the masses and create revolutionary armies.
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White Feather
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Joined: March 19 2006 Status: Offline Points: 71 |
Posted: March 21 2006 at 08:55 |
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OK I will spell it out LOUD and CLEAR why I am into prog because I love it !!!! and for no other reason |
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Moribund
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Joined: March 21 2005 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 210 |
Posted: March 21 2006 at 09:19 |
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As a socialist and prog lover I have to say that many prog fans who are known to me are right wing. Don't think there's a correlation.
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New Progressive Rock Live show now touring UK theatres!
www.masterpiecestheconcert.co.uk |
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DolphinFan
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Joined: June 05 2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 143 |
Posted: April 13 2006 at 19:35 |
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Dr Know
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Joined: February 10 2006 Location: Brazil Status: Offline Points: 532 |
Posted: April 13 2006 at 19:48 |
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Tony Fisher,What are Rush´s unpleasant right wing views? This has made me curious.
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zappaholic
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Joined: March 24 2006 Location: flyover country Status: Offline Points: 2822 |
Posted: April 13 2006 at 21:59 |
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No wonder Americans don't like prog. It's music for COMMIES!!!! /firm centrist who would rather reject standard left-right politics entirely
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"Democracy is the theory that the common people know what they want, and deserve to get it good and hard." -- H.L. Mencken
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zappaholic
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Joined: March 24 2006 Location: flyover country Status: Offline Points: 2822 |
Posted: April 13 2006 at 22:00 |
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Neil Peart's main lyrical influence is Ayn Rand. It's pretty much common knowledge.
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"Democracy is the theory that the common people know what they want, and deserve to get it good and hard." -- H.L. Mencken
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DolphinFan
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Joined: June 05 2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 143 |
Posted: April 13 2006 at 22:02 |
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I was wondering the same thing... Does your assertion come from interviews/public statements they've made or from their lyrics? If you are basing it on their lyrics, I'm not sure I'm hearing the same thing as you...just listen to songs like Red Sector A, Nobody's Hero, Half the World, or Big Money (to name just a few). Those don't strike me as fitting your description. Is it just because they (supposedly) adopt principles of self-reliance and individualism...or because they have been known to reference the works of Ayn Rand in interviews?
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BestFreak
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Joined: April 06 2006 Location: Egypt Status: Offline Points: 42 |
Posted: April 13 2006 at 22:13 |
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If we look at the political spectrum back in the 1950's and 1960's, we will find that most political parties which named themselves "progressive" were socialist/left-wing in nature. In a way, socialim provided the political spectrum with an alternative to the then-outdated nationalist/conservative movements, which ultimately resulted in two world wars. Bearing this in mind, I think we can say that "socialism" (as a new way of main-stream political thinking) paved the way for "progressive music" (as a new way of writing music). Also, quite remarkable is the fact that "capitalism" (as a means to maximize profits) lead to the emergence of consumerism in all aspects of life, including arts (and particularly the music industry). How else can we explain the myriad of bands who emerge everyday, to sell one rubbish album to today's teenagers? In that sense, "progressive music" does not have "profit maximization" as a target, and therefore is far from being "capitalist" in nature. It is safe, therefore, to claim that Progressive Rock does have some conceptual similarities with "Socialism". Am I making any sense at all? |
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All the best freaks are here!
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walrus333
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Joined: October 29 2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 286 |
Posted: April 13 2006 at 22:59 |
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Werent alot of the Kraut Rock bands communist. Im not sure if any were democratic socialist or anything but.. |
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If anyone knows where I can get a copy of some Flute and Voice (Indo-Prog/Raga Rock) albums please PM me! Many thanks!
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leirbagaze
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Joined: February 17 2006 Location: Venezuela Status: Offline Points: 34 |
Posted: April 13 2006 at 23:07 |
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopediaProgressive rock (shortened to prog, or prog rock when differentiating from other "progressive" genres) is an ambitious, eclectic, and often grandiose style of rock music .
I do not see any links, except maybe both are built in elaborated fantasies. |
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Clepsydra
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Joined: March 14 2006 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 494 |
Posted: April 13 2006 at 23:17 |
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I am a Democrat. If John Kerry were elected president; this country (USA) would be in MUCH better shape! |
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Dr Know
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Joined: February 10 2006 Location: Brazil Status: Offline Points: 532 |
Posted: April 13 2006 at 23:26 |
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^^^^^ I think if he were elected the whole world would be in a better shape! |
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ken4musiq
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Joined: January 14 2006 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 446 |
Posted: April 14 2006 at 00:39 |
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I was going to say something and then your response gave me the ammo. Early prog does have a liberal social critique of sorts. The Martin book on the History of Prog basically says that it is Socialist. But then Rush comes along and bangs that all to hell by citing the individual as an entity at odds with the social order. In Rush it is the will of the individual that one should rely on not some politcal social order. That may be a simplified version but I think you get the drift. |
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FragileDT
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VIP Member Joined: June 20 2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 1485 |
Posted: April 14 2006 at 00:54 |
Well I don't know what whoever said about Rush having right wing views? That's as big of a joke as it comes. Rush's lyrics are as left-wing as you can get on about 99% of their songs. There's no argument there, they spell out their socialist views for you. I understand the topic of this thread. The perspectives and lyrics of the majority of prog bands do tend to have socialistic view points. Whether or not the average prog fans have the same view is a different story. The lyrics to prog are very liberal in a general sense. You don't have many pro-war conservative republican prog bands and that's a fact. |
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FragileDT
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VIP Member Joined: June 20 2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 1485 |
Posted: April 14 2006 at 00:56 |
Rush's lyrics are conservative? What? I don't know what Rush you guys are listening to. |
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One likes to believe
In the freedom of music But glittering prizes And endless Compromises Shatter the illusion Of integrity |
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Equality 7-2521 wrote:
