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moodyxadi ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: November 01 2005 Location: Brazil Status: Offline Points: 417 |
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No, not again this trash about Beatles vs Jesus. I don't care about jesus, but Lennon's phrase was an answer to a journalist that only means that, at some time in the 60's, most people in the world have heard about the beatles than of Jesus Christ. No merit's judgement involved (by the way, I think that The Beatles are far better than JC). Only stupid north-americans from the Christian Belt repeats this kind of bulsh*t today. |
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Cheesecakemouse ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: April 05 2006 Location: New Zealand Status: Offline Points: 1751 |
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I'm sorry I upset you, I don't know what you mean by the Beatles being better than Jesus?, as in what way? as in music?, transforming western society?, defining the underlining rationale behind human rights?, stopping child sacrifice?, stopping slavery. Tell me who did more for society ? Who is better? By the way I am not american I'm a New Zealander one of the most secular countries in the world thankyou very much. |
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int_2375 ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: March 20 2006 Status: Offline Points: 159 |
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This is just something I've noticed, but alot of musicians tend not to associate themselves with any particular religion, especially many prog musicians. Some are agnostic, some atheist. Considering some of Meshuggah's lyrics, the writer of the lyrics was probably one of the two. I know the members of Tool say they do not associate with any religion. The band Atheist is mostly likely atheist... I don't know for sure, it seems religous beliefs aren't a common topic in prog as they are in metal. Lyrics like "Imagine there is no heaven, no hell below us." from John Lennon and the lyrics to Tool's Parabol/a seem to suggest one form of atheism or another, althought there are other ways to read it. Cheesecakemouse, you have to take into account that Jesus is a mythical figure, and in the sense that we know the Beatles existed, they are better. Edited by int_2375 |
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JJLehto ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() Joined: April 05 2006 Location: Tallahassee, FL Status: Offline Points: 34550 |
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Very good point. It does seem that religion is not very closely associated with prog. |
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Cheesecakemouse ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: April 05 2006 Location: New Zealand Status: Offline Points: 1751 |
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Anyway I theink Magma was quite religious with the wholoe kobian thing |
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int_2375 ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: March 20 2006 Status: Offline Points: 159 |
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I have no intention of drawing you into a debate of whether Jesus existed, the fact is nobody knows for sure, but we're pretty damn sure the Beatles existed. That was my only point. There's nothing contentious about the fact that we don't know whether there was a Jesus.
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Cheesecakemouse ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: April 05 2006 Location: New Zealand Status: Offline Points: 1751 |
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Ok sure |
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coffeeintheface ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: May 02 2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 397 |
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Yeah, look up the lyrics to Meshuggah's "Terminal Illusions." It seems that lead singer Jens Kidman is an uber-athiest, haha. I don't know if you could speak for the rest of the band though. As for Opeth, I have no clue, given that I haven't even heard their music. |
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int_2375 ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: March 20 2006 Status: Offline Points: 159 |
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Yeah those are the exact lyrics I was thinking of when I said the Meshuggah lyricist is mostly likely atheist. http://www.meshuggah.net/disco/dei/08/index.html |
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JJLehto ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() Joined: April 05 2006 Location: Tallahassee, FL Status: Offline Points: 34550 |
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^ Yeah those lyrics.......make it......a little obvious
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Meddler ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() Joined: September 29 2005 Location: Massillon Status: Offline Points: 881 |
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David Gilmour is an atheist, as he stated in a recent interview for On An Island. Also you can tell by his lyrics in This Heaven, "So break the bread and pour the wine/I need no blessings but I'm counting mine."
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Cheesecakemouse ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: April 05 2006 Location: New Zealand Status: Offline Points: 1751 |
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Wow! I always assume everyone believes in something, even if it is money or power, etc. |
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Meddler ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() Joined: September 29 2005 Location: Massillon Status: Offline Points: 881 |
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I know, I found it surprising too. Here is a quote from MOJO Magazine Interview
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Flyingsod ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() Joined: March 19 2006 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 564 |
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Rush lyrics piont toward something like atheism. At least towards anti-organized religion. Also Jethro Tull has some anti religious(christian?) sentiments. Yes might be atheists or devout christians...who can tell with those lyrics! I am an existentialist but I tend towards atheism.
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Cheesecakemouse ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: April 05 2006 Location: New Zealand Status: Offline Points: 1751 |
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Rush does have some humanistic/secular lyrics I found Permanent Waves to be the case, but doesn't Geddy Lee wear the Star of David around his neck, whether for cultural or religious I don't know. Yes seem to believe in everything, while Rick Wakeman left because he thought they had become too new age, which is funny since I saw a Rick Wakeman "new age" CD in a bargain bin in a music store, it was all about star signs etc. Jethro Tull was not anti-christian, just against the church institution. If you listen to aqualung you will find out he is very explicit in his faith God.
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lunaticviolist ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: January 17 2005 Status: Offline Points: 478 |
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Yeah, and Back-door Angels definitely seems to mock God (or people's perceptions of God): "Think I'll sit down and invent some fool, some grand court jester." I'm aethiest, by the way. Edited by lunaticviolist |
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HeirToRuin ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: May 30 2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 454 |
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I'm an atheist scientist in my real life.
The most obvious choice to me is Pain of Salvation. |
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Laurent ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() Joined: May 04 2005 Location: Canada Status: Offline Points: 513 |
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I'm Agnostic. But I consider myself as close to an atheist as one can be, withought actually being one.
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Paul K. ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: March 26 2006 Location: Russian Federation Status: Offline Points: 197 |
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DEICIDE
![]() just joking ![]() Ok, let me see... Maybe ATHEIST CYNIC SADIST (nice names aren't they? ![]() THEORY IN PRACTICE SPIRAL ARCHITECT MEKONG DELTA WATCHTOWER also TOOL has pretty anti-religious song Opiate, but it's not against God but church. these bands seem atheists. |
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Evolver ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() Crossover & JR/F/Canterbury Teams Joined: October 22 2005 Location: The Idiocracy Status: Offline Points: 5482 |
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I'm surprised no one's mentioned Zappa here. "Dumb All Over" And Todd Rundgren's "Eastern Intrigue" could put him on the list. |
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