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JJLehto
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Posted: April 05 2006 at 22:10 |
int_2375 wrote:
This is just something I've noticed, but alot of musicians tend not to associate themselves with any particular religion, especially many prog musicians. Some are agnostic, some atheist. Considering some of Meshuggah's lyrics, the writer of the lyrics was probably one of the two. I know the members of Tool say they do not associate with any religion. The band Atheist is mostly likely atheist...
I don't know for sure, it seems religous beliefs aren't a common topic in prog as they are in metal.
Lyrics like "Imagine there is no heaven, no hell below us." from John Lennon and the lyrics to Tool's Parabol/a seem to suggest one form of atheism or another, althought there are other ways to read it.
Cheesecakemouse, you have to take into account that Jesus is a mythical figure, and in the sense that we know the Beatles existed, they are better.
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Very good point. It does seem that religion is not very closely associated with prog.
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int_2375
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Posted: April 05 2006 at 22:06 |
This is just something I've noticed, but alot of musicians tend not to associate themselves with any particular religion, especially many prog musicians. Some are agnostic, some atheist. Considering some of Meshuggah's lyrics, the writer of the lyrics was probably one of the two. I know the members of Tool say they do not associate with any religion. The band Atheist is mostly likely atheist...
I don't know for sure, it seems religous beliefs aren't a common topic in prog as they are in metal.
Lyrics like "Imagine there is no heaven, no hell below us." from John Lennon and the lyrics to Tool's Parabol/a seem to suggest one form of atheism or another, althought there are other ways to read it.
Cheesecakemouse, you have to take into account that Jesus is a mythical figure, and in the sense that we know the Beatles existed, they are better.
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Cheesecakemouse
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Posted: April 05 2006 at 22:06 |
I'm sorry I upset you, I don't know what you mean by the Beatles being better than Jesus?, as in what way? as in music?, transforming western society?, defining the underlining rationale behind human rights?, stopping child sacrifice?, stopping slavery. Tell me who did more for society ? Who is better?
By the way I am not american I'm a New Zealander one of the most secular countries in the world thankyou very much.
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moodyxadi
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Posted: April 05 2006 at 21:38 |
Cheesecakemouse wrote:
Slayer! wrote:
Zoso wrote:
What the hell would you classify as being "Athiest Prog"? |
I don't know. Any bands that are atheists?
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John Lennon song imagine has a line "imagine there is no heavan." Although Lennon is not prog the Beatles are Proto Prog, he must have had some atheist lyrics somewhere, after all he did say he was bigger than Jesus
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No, not again this trash about Beatles vs Jesus. I don't care about jesus, but Lennon's phrase was an answer to a journalist that only means that, at some time in the 60's, most people in the world have heard about the beatles than of Jesus Christ. No merit's judgement involved (by the way, I think that The Beatles are far better than JC). Only stupid north-americans from the Christian Belt repeats this kind of bulsh*t today.
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JJLehto
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Posted: April 05 2006 at 21:04 |
Wow, this is going better than I thought. I was hoping no one would run me off the site, religion can become a touchy topic after all.
O BTW this is still me. I made a new account.
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Zac M
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Posted: April 05 2006 at 20:58 |
Cheesecakemouse wrote:
opps i mean darwin was an atheist, sorry. |
Darwin wasn't Atheist, he was agnostic, or I should say he became
agnostic. He was actually studying to become a clergyman, but after
delving deep into his discoveries on the Beagle and such, he found himself drifting further away from Christianity.
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"Art is not imitation, nor is it something manufactured according to the wishes of instinct or good taste. It is a process of expression."
-Merleau-Ponty
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The Wizard
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Posted: April 05 2006 at 20:54 |
ELP's 'The Only Way' has athiest lyrics that mock the idea of god and practices of Christianity.
I must agree that most prog is spiritual though.
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JJLehto
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Posted: April 05 2006 at 20:52 |
Cheesecakemouse wrote:
John Lennon song imagine has a line "imagine there is no heavan." Although Lennon is not prog the Beatles are Proto Prog, he must have had some atheist lyrics somewhere, after all he did say he was bigger than Jesus |
LOL that made my day
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Cheesecakemouse
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Posted: April 05 2006 at 20:34 |
Slayer! wrote:
Zoso wrote:
What the hell would you classify as being "Athiest Prog"? |
I don't know. Any bands that are atheists?
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John Lennon song imagine has a line "imagine there is no heavan." Although Lennon is not prog the Beatles are Proto Prog, he must have had some atheist lyrics somewhere, after all he did say he was bigger than Jesus
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Blackleaf
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Posted: April 05 2006 at 20:32 |
Well, I'm atheist, and I can't actually pick bands that ARE relgious most of the time. In general, I think it's a good idea to keep your religious ideals out of music for the most part, because as some wise person once said "Once you start talking about relgion in any way, you are GOING to offend someone."
The only song that spring to mind is Dream Theaters In the Name of God as being pretty anti-religion.
BL~
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Dr Know
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Posted: April 05 2006 at 20:27 |
Wasn´t one of the members of Atomic Rooster supposed to have been satanic? I may be wrong, but I´m sure I read that somewhere.
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mithrandir
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Posted: April 05 2006 at 20:26 |
what the? I thought it was about the band Atheist as well, how dare you trick me!
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Cheesecakemouse
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Posted: April 05 2006 at 20:24 |
I don't mind religion in music whether hindu, christian or buddist or non religion as long as they don't insult others outside.
It seems to me el bothy that you just don't like over dogmatic people, fair enough.
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Cheesecakemouse
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Posted: April 05 2006 at 20:20 |
opps i mean darwin was an atheist , sorry.
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Slayer!
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Posted: April 05 2006 at 20:20 |
stomp wrote:
How about the band atheist. |
Yes! I was waiting for someone to say it.
As for this thread having nothing to do with prog, well yea...but I was wondering what people would say. It's fun.
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el böthy
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Posted: April 05 2006 at 20:19 |
I don´t know what atheist prog would be...but Im not very keane with the christian prog...I hope the atheist prog doesn´t bash religions...I don´t know what I can´t stand more, the reliogion bashers or the religion freaks...
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Cheesecakemouse
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Posted: April 05 2006 at 20:19 |
Sure thing masque, I was merely talking about those people and their times, I'm not trying to debate
But wasn't their an italian group called Banco something rather who did an album about Charles Darwin, thats atheist right?
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stomp
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Posted: April 05 2006 at 20:18 |
How about the band atheist.
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Masque
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Posted: April 05 2006 at 20:12 |
I think we should leave religion or in this case fringing on anti religious topics out of the forum , they will only cause debate and have nothing to do with progressive rock !
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Cheesecakemouse
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Posted: April 05 2006 at 20:10 |
That is a tough one since since spirituality could almost be considered an essential aspect of many prog rock bands eg Suppers ready-genesis, tales of topog -yes, mahavisnu orchestra,
I guess the 1960s and 1970s the golden era of prog was also a period of spiritual reawakening and searching for many after all they were all hippies.
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