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Tony R 
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 Topic: Why do we let our leaders lie to us?
Posted: March 02 2006 at 10:40 |
Here's proof that President Dubya lied to the American People:
BBC NEWS: VIDEO AND AUDIO
Click the link or image and then click "watch the video".
The point is why don't we impeach these guys? Blair is as bad and I voted for him.These people are elected to represent and serve us,yet we let them makes fools of us.
Imagine if you had a relative who was killed in New Orleans.... 
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Velvetclown
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Posted: March 02 2006 at 10:43 |
No matter who you vote for, the goverment gets in 
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Velvetclown
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Posted: March 02 2006 at 10:48 |
WHO´s WON´T GET FOOLED AGAIN is a great song and above all..........THE TRUTH !!!!!! 
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NutterAlert
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Posted: March 02 2006 at 11:24 |
Wonder if they know difference between truth & lies any more?
I'm sick of the lot of them.
We need a new World leader....
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sleeper
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Posted: March 02 2006 at 11:33 |
I've lost faith in all poloticians, especially those in the most responsable jobs as they seem the least responsable people about  .
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Spending more than I should on Prog since 2005
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timothy leary
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Posted: March 02 2006 at 11:40 |
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I think Jimmy Carter was a fairly truthful American president.
Unfortunately, he is remembered for the recession during his
presidency. George, on the other hand, is the son of a liar. If Oliver
North didn`t take the fall, George Sr. probably would have been
impeached.
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Empathy
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Posted: March 02 2006 at 12:09 |
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IMO, we let our leaders lie to us because the vast majority of humans
are selfish, and only become "outraged" when something directly affects
our livelihood.
I realize this is a very jaded and cynical viewpoint, but it's based on my observations.
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timothy leary
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Posted: March 02 2006 at 12:16 |
 Empathy wrote:
IMO, we let our leaders lie to us because the vast majority of humans
are selfish, and only become "outraged" when something directly affects
our livelihood.
I realize this is a very jaded and cynical viewpoint, but it's based on my observations.
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astute I might add,but sad.
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Drew
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Posted: March 02 2006 at 12:18 |
sleeper wrote:
I've lost faith in all poloticians, especially those in the most responsable jobs as they seem the least responsable people about. |
same- yeah
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Empathy
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Posted: March 02 2006 at 12:25 |
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The truth is the blame for the tragedy of errors that was Katrina lies
on many people. Ray Nagin absolutely dropped the ball evacuating the
city, for one. Everyone's angry that the Army Corps of Engineers didn't
build a levee system that could withstand a hurricane of that
intensity. I don't recall anyone pointing fingers that the World Trade
Center wasn't rebuilt to withstand an impact from a more modern
airplane than a 707.
There is blame to be shared, for sure. I think a better question is are we actually learning
anything from the experience? Finger-pointing is the easy part. These
days, it seems to be rare that we actually move past that phase.
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Tony R
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Posted: March 02 2006 at 12:48 |
Empathy wrote:
The truth is the blame for the tragedy of errors that was Katrina lies on many people. Ray Nagin absolutely dropped the ball evacuating the city, for one. Everyone's angry that the Army Corps of Engineers didn't build a levee system that could withstand a hurricane of that intensity. I don't recall anyone pointing fingers that the World Trade Center wasn't rebuilt to withstand an impact from a more modern airplane than a 707.
There is blame to be shared, for sure. I think a better question is are we actually learning anything from the experience? Finger-pointing is the easy part. These days, it seems to be rare that we actually move past that phase.
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I'm not on about blaming people for the tragedy,I am concerned with the fact that we have definite proof that he has lied.
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timothy leary
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Posted: March 02 2006 at 12:48 |
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We don`t learn. Itwas easier to poke fun at Al Gore`s global warming stance than to "buck up" and realize this is not a joke.
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MikeEnRegalia
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Posted: March 02 2006 at 12:50 |
Politicians lie. Get used to it.
To quote KC: "That is a fact - of life."
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Empathy
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Posted: March 02 2006 at 12:54 |
Tony R wrote:
Empathy wrote:
The truth is the blame for the
tragedy of errors that was Katrina lies on many people. Ray Nagin
absolutely dropped the ball evacuating the city, for one. Everyone's
angry that the Army Corps of Engineers didn't build a levee system that
could withstand a hurricane of that intensity. I don't recall anyone
pointing fingers that the World Trade Center wasn't rebuilt to
withstand an impact from a more modern airplane than a 707.
There is blame to be shared, for sure. I think a better question is are we actually learning
anything from the experience? Finger-pointing is the easy part. These
days, it seems to be rare that we actually move past that phase.
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I'm not on about blaming people for the tragedy,I am concerned with the fact that we have definite proof that he has lied. |
Ah, right. Sorry to digress. I suppose Dubya's lies are old hat to me
at this point. What's infuriating to me isn't so much the lies
themselves but the arrogance and brazen defiance when confronted with
them. It's like he no longer feels he even has to make an effort to
disguise his agenda anymore.
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Blacksword
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Posted: March 02 2006 at 12:58 |
Power corrupts..
We let our leaders lie to us for two reasons:
1) Enough people have faith in their leaders to vote them into power and give them a mandate to lie further. For some the idea of their president lying is so unpallatable that they live in denial of any wrong doing on his part.
2) WTF are we going to do about it anyway?? 
Basically I believe the true agendas of our leaders are not even known to us. Some weeks ago evidence was leaked to Channel 4 news in the UK that Bush and Blair had already agreed a date for war with Iraq, regardless of any UN decision. Blair had previously said that no such agreement had taken place. He lied to us. That was a BIG lie, and since that news report there has been no mention of it.
I used to be amember of the Labour party. Now I will not vote as I do not support organised crime. Thats what our leaders are. Criminals.
IMO..
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timothy leary
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Posted: March 02 2006 at 12:59 |
Tony R wrote:
Empathy wrote:
The truth is the blame for the
tragedy of errors that was Katrina lies on many people. Ray Nagin
absolutely dropped the ball evacuating the city, for one. Everyone's
angry that the Army Corps of Engineers didn't build a levee system that
could withstand a hurricane of that intensity. I don't recall anyone
pointing fingers that the World Trade Center wasn't rebuilt to
withstand an impact from a more modern airplane than a 707.
There is blame to be shared, for sure. I think a better question is are we actually learning
anything from the experience? Finger-pointing is the easy part. These
days, it seems to be rare that we actually move past that phase.
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I'm not on about blaming people for the tragedy,I am concerned with the fact that we have definite proof that he has lied. |
I
agree. Disaster happens. George bush is a disaster. Many in America
want to see his fall. It amazes me he can still hold his head high. I
really enjoyed seeing him slammed at the Coretta King funeral.
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Tony R
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Posted: March 02 2006 at 13:02 |
Yet Empathy is correct when he says that people only voice outrage when they are directly affected.
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Pablo_P
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Posted: March 02 2006 at 13:05 |
I saw the news about Bush two minutes ago in TV news... 
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Pablo P.
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timothy leary
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Posted: March 02 2006 at 13:12 |
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At the bottom of everything is the lie: george Bush was elected. Many don`t believe he ever was. Hanging chads. deceit.
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Blacksword
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Posted: March 02 2006 at 13:16 |
Democracy wins out over dictatorship for one reason alone. If you dont like the crooks who are in government you can vote another bunch in.
Unless of course the job of government is handed to an individual by a court in a state where a relation happens to be the governour. But hey I'm probably just being cynical. That would never happen....
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