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Blacksword ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: June 22 2004 Location: England Status: Offline Points: 16130 |
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This week the IAEA (International Atomic Energy Agency) will meet to decide whether to refer Iran to the UN Security council, in light of its refusal to stop it's pursuit of a nuclear energy program. The US and Israel believe, as do their allies, that the Islamic republic is pursuing a WMD program. Irans recently elected hard line government has been quoted as saying it wishes to 'wipe Israel of the map' The Russians have said they will not stand in the way of a UN decision on Iran, in other words they would not veto any resolution for sanctions, but are keen for diplomacy to win out. They have offered Iran a deal wherby the Uranium enrichment process can be conducted on Russian soil, thus not allowing Iran the materials needed for a bomb. Iran are interested in the deal, and have stated that UN sanctions will not bring about an end to their energy program which they believe they have a right - in international law - to pursue. If the security council passes a resolution for sanctions which is ignored by Iran, will military action be the next step? Will Israel act unilaterally? What effect would an attack on Iran do for US relations with China who recieves 13% of its oil from Iran, and with Russia, an ally of Iran who has been supplying her with parts for nuclear power stations as well as missiles and defence systems to deter/counter any attack from the Jewish state?? Would any conflict escalate into something bigger than we have seen in Iraq? This guy seems to think so.... Perhaps the Russian compromise can avoid sanctions or conflict... Read about Chinas support below... http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/4649182.stm Edited by Blacksword |
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Oh God. Well if bird flu doesn't get us, or the ice caps melting don't drown us, or a meteroite doesn't crash into the Earth, or terrorists don't wipe us out, or George Galloway doesn't bore us all to death (arse) this will get us.
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Blacksword ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: June 22 2004 Location: England Status: Offline Points: 16130 |
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I like to think I bring a little ray of sunshine to the forum.. For what it's worth we have been here before with the nuclear thing. The guy who wrote the article in my link is a professor of economics at the University of ottawa. What actually qualifies him as a military strategist I've no idea. I see it as no more than opinion, albeit a well argued and fairly frightening one. Perhaps this is the build up to the next in the series of 'Resource Wars' ; the clamouring of the 'fittest' nations to secure the worlds dwindling fuel reserves, masquerading as some ill concieved fight between good and evil. One thing is for sure, anyone who thinks the 'cold war' is really over, must have slept through the 90's. IMO... |
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It's a throny issue to be sure but I guess you can always say, how many
countries in the world have nuclear power but NO nuclear weapons?
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Tony R ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator / Retired Admin Joined: July 16 2004 Location: UK Status: Offline Points: 11979 |
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It's the same media attack that was used so successfully to bamboozle the public over Iraq.The screw will be turned and turned until the public demands action and another moslem state will become the enemy-at-large. Given,therefore,that some kind of conflict with Iran is inevitable,can I predict the following? 1. Nuclear Inspectors will try unsuccessfully to gain admission to the Nuclear Plants and decide that this means that Iran is developing weapons of mass distruction. Seriously. Edited by Tony R |
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Blacksword ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: June 22 2004 Location: England Status: Offline Points: 16130 |
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It seems you have the same crystal ball as me Tony. Thats pretty much exactly what I think is going to happen. But I dont think this will be another Iraq. It could be a lot worse. It's a different 'enemy' this time.... If Iran is attacked, they will retalliate against Israel. They have the means to. It would be a bloodbath, making the Iraq conflict look like a chimps tea party. |
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NutterAlert ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: June 07 2005 Location: In transition Status: Offline Points: 2808 |
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What we need really are more women as head of state. Not sure how much longer George has to go in his term, but sounds like he might be replaced by Hillary or Condalisa. If only Islam was slightly more tolerant of women we could then envisage a Mrs. Iotolah of Iran. (I see a fatwah heading my way The girls could then meet up have a chat, swap makeup tips, and stop all this bloody lunancy. Its clear women are the more stabilising influence. Look at the mahem us chaps get up to in this forum. If we had more women on the forum, and maybe Mrs.Tony R moderating, I am sure we would all be more relaxed. |
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I agree that Iran should stop its nuclear energy program as long as all the 'allies' do the same If a conflict comes up, then things could be worse than Iraq... |
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The 'man' factor is something to do with it, I'm sure, but I dont think there is any reason why someone like Condoleeza Rice wopuld be any more compassionate on the world stage than her deranged boss. People who seek power are usually - by default - the wrong people to take power. There's no solution to this problem though. After all, you want a leader who at leasts thinks he/she is up to the job.. The biggest concern for me is that religous fundamentalists in Washington, Tel Aviv and all across the Muslim world are playing 'Apocalypse' games. It may not ultimately matter if God exists or not, but if the MEN with their fingers on the triggers believe he does, and they believe they have been instructed to pull those triggers, then we are all screwed! Edited by Blacksword |
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NutterAlert ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: June 07 2005 Location: In transition Status: Offline Points: 2808 |
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Yep, I think you're right. Douglas Adams summed up the leadership problem best in my opinion: "One of the many major problems with governing people is that of whom you get to do it; or rather of who manages to get people to let them do it to them: It is a well known fact, that those people who most want to rule people are, ipso facto, those least suited to do it. Anyone who is capable of getting themselves into a position of power should on no account be allowed to do the job." |
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Blacksword ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: June 22 2004 Location: England Status: Offline Points: 16130 |
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^ Yeah, that quote hits the nail on the head, I think
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The cold war is over. Now we have a hot potato. |
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What, like Maggie Thatcher? That woman was so compassionate. |
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Blacksword ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: June 22 2004 Location: England Status: Offline Points: 16130 |
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She was to General Pinochet! |
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Maggie is not a woman, but a product of dark alchemy. |
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Well, the task with Iran must be great...
Honestly, I believe that only a mad, mad, mad man is able to take this enterprise... but since the name Bush is cited I fear he'll take it.
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Another issue would be other terrorist attacks under due to the pretext that arabs iranians are being "attacked" by westerners.
To darken the painting a little more... |
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Sean Trane ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() Prog Folk Joined: April 29 2004 Location: Heart of Europe Status: Offline Points: 20414 |
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let's just stay above the moral melee
prefer the sink to the gutter keep our sand-castle virtues content to be a doer as well as a thinker, prefer lifting our pen rather than un-sheath our sword |
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Persians are not Arabs and Sunnites think of Shiites as traitors, but I am not so sure Arab nations will let a US led invasion of Iran happen. This might be the straw too much for Muslims. And Tony's list of chronoligical events is also relatively likely to happen , but will stop short of invasion - this is inconceivable. I think missiles will be sent to destroy suspect installations. Edited by Sean Trane |
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