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goose 
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 Posted: September 22 2005 at 15:32 |
 Suki wrote:
I don't do it. I know i may become addicted without any control
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Suki wrote:
However, I do smoke cigarrets on a regular basis, since age of 14 |
If addiction's your problem then I wouldn't worry about a lot of drugs. That's not to say you should take them by any means, but certainly most common hallucinogens don't have any addiction issues apart from ketamine (and MDMA?). Acid, LSA, salvia (but that's nasty stuff anyway!), DMT, mushrooms are not addictive at all. I stress I'm not condoning use of these, just giving some information!
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Posted: September 22 2005 at 15:32 |
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Yes, but alcohol lowers your level of consciousness and tobocco (especially blond cigarettes, by opposition to 100%
tobocco cigars) are very bad for your health.
You say "drugs I think are very far from me" and at the same time, you say you're addicted to these both substances...paradoxal, isn't it? Don't you know that according our prohibitive governments, these two substances are considered as hard drugs while MJ is clasified as soft ones?
Meditate this.
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Posted: September 22 2005 at 17:22 |
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trippy drugs are ok id say. its the happy drugs you want to stay away from because you may end up being happy only durring the times you are taking these drugs. So i smoke weed take acid and shroom. i wont do ecstacy or speed even though i have tried them. i think the drugs i do have more possitives than negatives IMO. I never take huge doses so they are generally safe.
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goose
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Posted: September 22 2005 at 17:26 |
ian_b wrote:
trippy drugs are ok id say. its the happy drugs you want to stay away from because you may end up being happy only durring the times you are taking these drugs. So i smoke weed take acid and shroom. i wont do ecstacy or speed even though i have tried them. i think the drugs i do have more possitives than negatives IMO. I never take huge doses so they are generally safe. |
To each his own, though. I've got a basically similar outlook to you except somewhat more restrictive but I don't have a problem with people taking harder drugs as long as they know and understand the risks and can bail out if things get too rough. That most people aren't even slightly able to do this is why I'm entirely against legalisation.
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Suki
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Posted: September 22 2005 at 17:32 |
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oliverstoned.. Heh, first of, I do not drink alcohol
THAT MUCH. Alcohol is really not a problem for me, had I been an
alcoholist, that's something else... All in all, I'm not addicted to
Alcohol.
About the addiction, I'm well aware that both alcohol and nicotine are
regarded as drugs, however, I personally "put them" in a different
catagory than I place cocain and the rest of the heavy sh*t. And to put
the cards down and the smartass attitude as well, most people don't
regard alcohol and nicotine as drugs, I don't too because I
believe the drugs that were mentioned here in this post can f**k me up
more than if I'll smoke for the rest of my life, both for short term
and long term. Cigarrets are believed to be okay, however, drugs are
believed to be the worst dangerous sh*t ever. That's the attitude on
Nicotine today, even our schoolteacher thinks so, lol.
Yes, Nicotine is indeed a drug, but you should look at it from a
different prospective than you look at the (for example) the various of
drugs that are being mentioned in this post, whether they're heavy or
not, just as I'm sure you'll do with anti-headache pills and stuff like
that. Those are drugs too, aren't they?
"drugs I think are very far from me", all in all, I meant that
although I do smoke cigarrets there is something which holds me back
from taking the 'stuff' that were mentioned in this post. I'm well
aware of the road I will be taking if I do and I chose not to take it.
So yes, generally, I do drugs but I haven't gotten to the level where
I'll take the more 'serious' stuff.
goose, perhaps these kinds of drugs aren't
addicting, but I do believe that if you enjoy it you'll do it again,
whether it is addicting or not.
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Borealis
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Posted: September 22 2005 at 18:54 |
I don't know how you can hate drugs and lovealcool. They share to many similitudes. Maybe you're really influenced by the medias, your parents, the school...
You know, I really believe that the non-chemical drugs are the worst, and by this I mean computers, TV, video games, etc. Marijuana will not ruin your life, there's a strong addiction, yes, but you won,t ruin your life for that (as opposed to what you hear at school). But being addicted to computers will ruin it, as you'll get no experience in whatever, no good memories, no girl, no life man.
What's worst, really?
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Suki
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Posted: September 23 2005 at 05:29 |
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Borealis, not everyone who drinks alcohol also love
drugs. As I've already mentioned, perhaps alcohol is regarded as a
drug, but people still look at it from a different prospective. I do
not hate drugs as I do not love them, as many other I'm sure. You keep
saying that alcohol is indeed a drug and it shares many similitudes as
well, however, you keep forgetting that drugs are far more dangerous
for your health, which is quite known. Drugs screw you life, and that's
the attitude today. Cigs=fine, alcohol=fine, drugs=the path for ending
one's life. And that's why I DO NOT take drugs. I'm sure being stoned
is as fun as being drunk, but is it fun being a drug addict?
You might be taking drugs and think it is not so bad as people make it
appear to be, but I don't, hence my view on it isn't as 'lite' as
yours. People are aware that drugs are addicting, have strong side
effects and there are enough 'stories' told by ex drug addict about the
'path' it will forcilly take you. That's why people aren't WILLING to
take them as well as I and not because of hatred or something like
that. I'm not interested in using them as many others, that's all.
As for marijuana, it does have some side effects, both for short and
long term, these effects are far more dangerous than Cigarrets, which
only applies for long term.. And lots of people try heavier stuff
because they started smoking it. Perhaps I am wrong, but I believe most
drug addicts started smoking marijuana, then it went further
About the computers remark, I agree with you, although it is known,
life isn't going to change, it's only going to progress from here on.
The addiction to computers will grow within the years as the technology
grows.
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goose
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Posted: September 23 2005 at 06:15 |
Suki wrote:
goose, perhaps these kinds of drugs aren't addicting, but I do believe that if you enjoy it you'll do it again, whether it is addicting or not.
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Fair enough. I think tobacco's relationship with "real" drugs is something of a cultural one though. In this country we have adverts on TV, on the radio, on cigarette packets, warning people not to smoke. Also my parents were science teachers so I'd been brought up with a very anti-smoking attitude. On the other hand drugs aren't really brought up, oddly, so I didn't really have any pre-conceived ideas about them from my childhood 
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Posted: September 23 2005 at 13:45 |
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Borealis
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Posted: September 25 2005 at 17:26 |
Suki wrote:
Borealis, not everyone who drinks alcohol also love drugs. As I've already mentioned, perhaps alcohol is regarded as a drug, but people still look at it from a different prospective. I do not hate drugs as I do not love them, as many other I'm sure. You keep saying that alcohol is indeed a drug and it shares many similitudes as well, however, you keep forgetting that drugs are far more dangerous for your health, which is quite known. Drugs screw you life, and that's the attitude today. Cigs=fine, alcohol=fine, drugs=the path for ending one's life. And that's why I DO NOT take drugs. I'm sure being stoned is as fun as being drunk, but is it fun being a drug addict?
You might be taking drugs and think it is not so bad as people make it appear to be, but I don't, hence my view on it isn't as 'lite' as yours. People are aware that drugs are addicting, have strong side effects and there are enough 'stories' told by ex drug addict about the 'path' it will forcilly take you. That's why people aren't WILLING to take them as well as I and not because of hatred or something like that. I'm not interested in using them as many others, that's all.
As for marijuana, it does have some side effects, both for short and long term, these effects are far more dangerous than Cigarrets, which only applies for long term.. And lots of people try heavier stuff because they started smoking it. Perhaps I am wrong, but I believe most drug addicts started smoking marijuana, then it went further
About the computers remark, I agree with you, although it is known, life isn't going to change, it's only going to progress from here on. The addiction to computers will grow within the years as the technology grows.
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Addiction, addiction... If you moderate (just like with alcool) and don't start going to far, you should be okay. I can imagine heroin be major concern, but marijuana will never ruin anyone life.
Also, I prefer to die from a cancer at the age of 70 than dying of severe obesity at the age of 40 because of an awful addiction to McDonald. Of course, is the govornement trying to stop those fast food company poisoning everyone?
I keep thinking it's worst to be a computer addict than a drug addict. You will ruin your life better that way than by using drugs. But well, aren't we all addicted to something after all? Music, work, or... a girl?
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Posted: September 26 2005 at 10:02 |
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And lots of people try heavier stuff
because they started smoking it. Perhaps I am wrong, but I believe most
drug addicts started smoking marijuana, then it went further
yes, but before trying MJ, they tried alcohol and tobocco.
So alcohol and tobocco lead to hard drugs and should be forbidden!
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Posted: September 26 2005 at 10:40 |
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Addiction is a medical condition and not a criminal one. That is why the so-called "war on drugs" will NEVER work. Instead of burying their stupid heads in the sand and make believe that they are helping, governments (with the U.S. leading!) should study the dutch approach (which is NOT perfect by any means! but at least they're realists) and not only decriminalise drugs (alcohol, tobacco and coffee, the most addictive of drugs already are!!!) but make it available to those who want it.
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Posted: September 26 2005 at 11:34 |
Doesburger wrote:
Addiction is a medical condition and not a criminal one. That is why the so-called "war on drugs" will NEVER work. Instead of burying their stupid heads in the sand and make believe that they are helping, governments (with the U.S. leading!) should study the dutch approach (which is NOT perfect by any means! but at least they're realists) and not only decriminalise drugs (alcohol, tobacco and coffee, the most addictive of drugs already are!!!) but make it available to those who want it. |
The MJ's prohibition gives exactly the same results than the alcohol one.
But, the reason is that under pseudo-moral reasons, it's just politic/lobbyes/money that motivates the so called drug war.
Did you know that (world) hemp prohibition was due to Paper, forest exploitation US lobbyes who were afraid of hemp concurrence and create a confusion between hemp and psychoactive hemp, in order to delete the first.
They even change the Japan constitution in 1945 to forbidden hemp under any form (you can smoke a whole field of textile hemp, you'll just get a headache)whereas
it was used for many things since the night of times everywhere. (First american bank wallet were made of hemp, for example). Moreover, hemp is a "green bomb" that we need in this pollution time. For example, it produces four more textile than cotton, without using any fertilizer. Same with paper, you don't need to destroy the forest, but grow hemp which has moreover the ability to depollute polluted fields as it absorbs Nitrate during growing process. It's one of the many ecological qualities of this wonderful plant.
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Suki
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Posted: September 26 2005 at 14:19 |
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oliverstoned, I know a person who started smoking MJ even before he tried tobocco, lol..
Borealis, we are not talking about MJ only here, I'm talking in generally. I'm not here to discuss specificly on MJ.
And you think that being addicted to a computer is far worse than being a drug addict? I think it's better to have a life without any experience and memories other than having a life full of pain or not having it at all
Yet again, I'm not talking about stuff like MJ, but the heavy drugs. I've yet to meet a sane drug addict that is happy about his life choices when it comes down to heavy drugs (like heroin).
The only people who wouldn't mind I believe are musicians, but what about the rest of the popularity?
Being a drug addict is better than being a computer addict? What life will you have then? what memories will you have, watching the rest getting high? being pitted? memories of losing your money, of being theatend? of consuming drugs more and more? of being fired? of trying to stop using it, but miserly failling the task?
Do a poll, it will be interesting to see how much will vote they want to have a drug addict's memories and feelings other than being a computer addict, which I'll say is much more easier to fix.
I have 2 friends that on the computer a lot, even worse, are addicted to Counter Strike (a popular net game), their mothers patheticlly threatend them, now they barely play. They did not have a problem to sociallize, they just had to do a f**king phone call to some friends.
Perhaps comp addicts are feeling sad or worthless, but they just need to try and open up a bit for others, and believe me, the problem will be solved.
But what about drug addicts.. heh.. I don't even want to imagine how much of a way they have climb.. pfffff
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Posted: September 26 2005 at 16:45 |
^ I probably agree with you on heroin. But computer comes second... 
oliverstoned, I know a person who started smoking MJ even before he tried tobocco, lol..
You now know a second, I don't remember smoking a cigarette... I don't smoke tobacco. I don't know why I should: costy, ruin your health, smell bad, no high 
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Suki
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Posted: September 26 2005 at 17:00 |
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Well, are you smoking MJ? and that doesn't ruin your health?
There is nothing wrong in a cigarette, costy - yes, just as I'm sure smoking MJ on a regular basis is, ruin your health - just about anything in life and I'm not aware of any cases where MJ improved someone's health (besides a few rare cancer cases), anyway, I doubt you'll become super-supi healthy by smkoking it. smell bad - about 30 mins after thae smell goes away (at least for people who don't smoke cigarettes on short delay, like 10 mins the whole day), no high - that's what alcohol is for. not only that, cigarettes has their own advantages, for example on a school day (lots of hours, tests, etc..)
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Borealis
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Posted: September 26 2005 at 17:09 |
^ Are you trying to convince me starting cigarettes? 
I didn't said MJ was good for health. The thing is that already being on that one, I don't wanna ruin it even more
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Posted: September 26 2005 at 20:21 |
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I've never smoked a cigarette in my life, but I used to smoke pot. But in joints, so not completely tobacco free.
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Posted: September 26 2005 at 20:42 |
Wolf Spider wrote:
BaldJean wrote:
to all those who said they don't use drugs: I don't
believe you, unless
you are Mormones. no coffee? no tea? no cocoa? no cigarettes? no
alcohol? these are all drugs by the medical definition of the word
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True, but the common meaning of the word "drugs" means narcotics -
you
can be addicted to tea, coffe or even alkohol and yet live a normal
life. Being addicted to drugs (narcotics)makes your life miserable -
you live only to get more and stronger drugs no matter the cost. But
anyway any addiction isn`t good.
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Correction: You can't live a normal life and be a full blown alcoholic
(which mean you were "addicted" to alcochol)
As for me I don't do drugs and I don't drink. I don't feel that a substance
is needed to enhance the effects of music. I just feel that those people
aren't focusing enough while sober.
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One likes to believe
In the freedom of music
But glittering prizes
And endless Compromises
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FragileDT
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Posted: September 26 2005 at 20:45 |
Suki wrote:
Well, are you smoking MJ? and that doesn't ruin your
health?
There is nothing wrong in a cigarette, costy - yes, just as I'm sure
smoking MJ on a regular basis is, ruin your health - just about anything in
life and I'm not aware of any cases where MJ improved someone's health
(besides a few rare cancer cases), anyway, I doubt you'll become super-
supi healthy by smkoking it. smell bad - about 30 mins after thae smell
goes away (at least for people who don't smoke cigarettes on short delay,
like 10 mins the whole day), no high - that's what alcohol is for. not only
that, cigarettes has their own advantages, for example on a school day
(lots of hours, tests, etc..)
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Cigarretes are so bad for you and everyone else around you. What are you
talking about? It's your personal preference during a school day to have a
cigarette and it's his or her own preference to smoke weed. They are both
bad for you but cigarettes are worse for the world (environmental impacts
and second hand smoke impacts.)
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One likes to believe
In the freedom of music
But glittering prizes
And endless Compromises
Shatter the illusion
Of integrity
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