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goose 
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 Posted: September 21 2005 at 21:56 |
 kirk wrote:
we weren't discussing hashish. we were discussing marijuana, aka the herb.
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Maybe we would have been, but you brought up pot, aka hash!
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Posted: September 21 2005 at 22:16 |
BePinkTheater wrote:
alan_pfeifer wrote:
fender101 wrote:
I think its great - If more bands had done drugs the music would be even better
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That's got to be, in my opinion, one of the dumbest statements I've ever heard. Look at most any band from the 80's,is the music really that much better?
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Look at the beatles before and after they did drugs. The noly band that got better once they we're off drugs was aerosmith, the rest were better stoned
I want DT to start getting blazed
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Portnoy was actually a big alchohol and pot user, he quit after his daughter was born.
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Posted: September 21 2005 at 22:38 |
goose wrote:
Tobacco, salvia, magic mushrooms, that thing that
South American tribes take which I forget the name of but begins with
an A, I think. And pot is manufactured, it's only the leaf itself which isn't.
edit: reading a little it seems Ayahuacsa needs boiling or
something, but I do find that morning glory seeds are a bit psychedelic. |
indeed. you are talking about ayahuasca, which is really an
amalgam of many different compounds, namely DMT and than an MAOI,
typically harmala or harmaline. mescaline is also found in a
number of different cacti, most notably peyote and to a lesser extent
san pedro. Morning glory seeds contain LSA, an analog of
LSD. Opium is straight from the poppies, no refinement
necessary. And although cocaine hydrochloride requires extensive
processing, psychoactive effects can be gleaned simply from chewing the
coca plant. ibogaine is also an incredibly potent natural
psychedelic in plant form. really, saying that marijuana is the
only natural drug is simply ignorant, and bordering on moronic.
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kirk
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Posted: September 21 2005 at 23:24 |
let's not use the term "moronic" for a difference of perspective.
although he's misinformed that hash is marijuana, he's still entitled to
his opinion...however misinformed it is.
> Opium is straight from the poppies, no refinement necessary.
not true. opium is the first step in refinement. further processing
turns it to heroin. the sap from the poppy is clear, milky. opium is black.
the next step is black tar heroin(trust me, i'm from seattle).
k
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Posted: September 22 2005 at 03:03 |
goose wrote:
kirk wrote:
we weren't discussing hashish. we were discussing marijuana, aka the herb.
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Maybe we would have been, but you brought up pot, aka hash! |
hashish and marijuana are basically the same; both are products of Cannabis Indica,
a variation of the hemp plant. hashish is made from the resin,
marijuana from the leaves of the plant; the active substance in both is
tetrahydrocannabinol.
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 A shot of me as High Priestess of Gaia during our fall festival. Ceterum censeo principiis obsta
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goose
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Posted: September 22 2005 at 05:14 |
But the leaf can literally be smoked straight from the plant, wheras the resin needs collecting somehow, doesn't it? That's what I meant by differentiating (aka splitting hairs   )
I'm not misinformed that hash is marijuana at all, but you were talking about pot as opposed to green in the post I quoted.
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oliverstoned
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Posted: September 22 2005 at 06:57 |
o0mr_bill0o wrote:
goose wrote:
Tobacco, salvia, magic mushrooms, that thing that
South American tribes take which I forget the name of but begins with
an A, I think. And pot is manufactured, it's only the leaf itself which isn't.
edit: reading a little it seems Ayahuacsa needs boiling or
something, but I do find that morning glory seeds are a bit psychedelic. |
indeed. you are talking about ayahuasca, which is really an
amalgam of many different compounds, namely DMT and than an MAOI,
typically harmala or harmaline. mescaline is also found in a
number of different cacti, most notably peyote and to a lesser extent
san pedro. Morning glory seeds contain LSA, an analog of
LSD. Opium is straight from the poppies, no refinement
necessary. And although cocaine hydrochloride requires extensive
processing, psychoactive effects can be gleaned simply from chewing the
coca plant. ibogaine is also an incredibly potent natural
psychedelic in plant form. really, saying that marijuana is the
only natural drug is simply ignorant, and bordering on moronic.
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True, there are hundred of power plants.
MJ is plant's flowers while H is resin collected from either only flowers or from the whole plant, depending on the process used.
Another issue is the selection/hybridation of MJ plants which allows cultivation and harvest of high quality MJ in temperate areas. It even grows in Alaska!
Ayahuasca is a "cook receipt" including many things.
Yes, we have to make distinction between natural "drugs", either under raw or concentrated form:
MJ, hash, poppies, OP, LSA seeds, LSA extract, Salvia leaves, Salvia 5X, Coca leaves, Peyotl, etc... and on another hand, chemically transformed drugs like LSD, Heroin, cocaine, crack, mescaline.
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Posted: September 22 2005 at 06:59 |
BaldJean wrote:
goose wrote:
kirk wrote:
we weren't discussing hashish. we were discussing marijuana, aka the herb.
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Maybe we would have been, but you brought up pot, aka hash! |
hashish and marijuana are basically the same; both are products of <span style="font-style: italic;">Cannabis Indica</span>,
a variation of the hemp plant. hashish is made from the resin,
marijuana from the leaves of the plant; the active substance in both is
<span style="font-weight: bold;">tetrahydrocannabinol</span>.
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Yes, but actually there are about 80 active substances in MJ. There are less in H.
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Posted: September 22 2005 at 08:19 |
Well, I think we've answered the question, or have we? Who'd a thunk the conversation would turn to ayahuasca?? DMT anyone???? 
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Posted: September 22 2005 at 09:53 |
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Posted: September 22 2005 at 10:11 |
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Ehh, actually mrijuana is mostly made from the so called "buds" rather
then from the leafs, allthougt the leafs to often are a compond.
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Posted: September 22 2005 at 10:14 |
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Haragei
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Posted: September 22 2005 at 10:20 |
BitchBrew wrote:
Ehh, actually mrijuana is mostly made from the so called "buds" rather then from the leafs, allthougt the leafs to often are a compond. |
Where I come from they call it heady, kind nugs. The leafs are a compound???????
"We are representing the Hubble Gubble Tea Company of Tibet. Would you like some tea???"
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Posted: September 22 2005 at 10:23 |
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It said to be very powerful and intense.
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Posted: September 22 2005 at 10:27 |
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It said to be very powerful and intense. |
Never had a desire to try it myself. I pretty much consider that phase of my life to be over. Although at the Phish "IT" festival in 2003 I was given some very interesting chocolates to eat.
I have read a lot of Terence McKenna related stuff and he was a big advocate of DMT before he died of brain cancer (!).
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Posted: September 22 2005 at 10:29 |
BaldJean wrote:
krauthead wrote:
BaldFriede wrote:
Guru Guru guitarist Roland
Schaeffer answered the question of "Elektrolurch" Mani Neumeier "Was
bedeutet eigentlich der Name Guru Guru?" ("What does the name Guru Guru
mean, by the way?"; this is one of the questions the Elektrolurch asks
the band) with "Täglich fit mit 2 Gramm sh*t" (a little difficult to
translate into English, but it is as if he said "an apple a day keeps
the doctor away", only replacing "apple" with "2 grams of hashish") on
the album "Guru Guru Live". And they announced they would now play the
"silent trumpet" on stage in one concert, after which someone with a
trumpet appeared on stage, and into the horn they had stuffed a
gigantic joint. They all took a deep draw, and then they gave the
trumpet to the audience. I know this from tales of my brother, who saw
them on the 1976 or 1977 Brain Festival in Essen (don't know the exact
year at the moment). Also they definitely didn't have a track named
"Der LSD-Marsch" ("The LSD-March") on their first album for nothing.Gong,
Hawkwind and Amon Düül 2 were excessive drug users too. Ash Ra Tempel
and the Cosmic Jokers (basically the same band) were befriended with
LSD-Guru Timothy Leary, which certainly says something about them too.
Let's face it: Most of the early Krautrock is heavily drug-influenced. |
Thx for the info Freide, I didn't knew all this 
Yes the early Krautrock is very drug-influenced and I'm not saying
that all of them did drugs but even if bands like Amon Düül II would
come out to the light and say that they were against drugs I wouldn't
believe it one second. |
you only have to read the biography of Amon Düül ("Tanz der Lemminge"
by Ingeborg Schober, who for some time was befriended with them) to
know that they were big pot- and acidheads and did mandrax too
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Yes great story!
I've heard a story of a Gong concert in France in the years 74/74 where David Allen was distributing acids to the whole public. The person who related the story has took one and it was a wonderful trip, according to him. The acid was excellent.
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Posted: September 22 2005 at 10:32 |
Haragei wrote:
oliverstoned wrote:
It said to be very powerful and intense. |
Never had a desire to try it myself. I pretty much consider that phase of my life to be over. Although at the Phish "IT" festival in 2003 I was given some very interesting chocolates to eat.
I have read a lot of Terence McKenna related stuff and he was a big advocate of DMT before he died of brain cancer (!). |
His book "the food of gods" is excellent.
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kirk
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Posted: September 22 2005 at 13:39 |
of course, there's many mind altering substances that occur in nature.
any naturopathic MD will tell you, almost any plant can reach toxic levels
if we consume enough. it's that certain mushrooms and plants become "toxic"
at lower levels, inviting abuse and creating a market.
by the standard definition provided by the "authorities", chocolate and sex
could easily fall under the wikipedia definition of drugs...mind altering, addictive, ect.
my original statement was that drugs are manufactured from baser elements,
pot is not. the corn in my garden is a vegetable, the stalk next to it is "drugs"....?
i suppose grapes are drugs also, since they can be made into wine.
..the younger ones here have to realize-
the authorities attempt to demonize a culture that's spawned
great literature, works of art, and the very music we're congregated here to discuss.
it's a sore spot for many of us "peacenik pinko hippies".
not to worry, repeated listenings of TFTO won't lead you into a life of debauchery
k
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