Punks Hate Prog.

whoa who dredged this thread up

Punk was incredibly exciting when it first hit.  But now, over 30 years later........   It's boring as hell! Which honestly is the worst insult you can say about punk, since one of its primary objectives was to eradicate the boring old guard of R&R.  If people today think they are radical and offensive by being "punk," all I can say is "BORING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"

While I love a lot of old punk dearly, I clearly think it is the most overrated form of rock music.

BORING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Peace,
Ulf 

Checked out the article, and it was standard punk rabble-rousing.
(Although I have to admit that "Love Beach" was a great argument for
punk's existence.) But I am sad to see the attitudes some posters here
have regarding punk. As I stated in a related thread, I feel the two genres
have much in common regarding intent. Both wanted to rebel against
standard pop rules, and didn't seem to care whether the industry liked it
or not. Prog voraciously assimilated as many outside influences as
possible (classical, jazz, folk) while punk wanted to blow everything up -
but the result was the same. New music for new eras.

In my book, the Clash, Ramones, Wire, Damned and The Slits are just as
classic and groundbreaking as early '70s Yes, Genesis, etc. And when it
comes to tearing down walls, Roger Water's lyrics for Animals is just as
nihilistic as anything devised by arch-enemy Johnny Rotten.

Rather than revisiting age-old rivalries dating to the mid-70s, fans of
both genres should instead seek out music that continues the original,
rule-breaker spirit of the pioneers in those respective fields. Mars Volta,
Radiohead, Tool and Doves, for example, incorporate the best of both
worlds.

Can't we all just get along??? Or at least direct our hatred to people who
deserve it, like the Eagles???


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These people knew what they wanted ..lots of windswept guitar histrionics, gushing key boards, lyrics full of mystical allusions and song titles bearing no relation to the music and almost as long as the music itself

This bit made me howl, I guess he's missed the point, he talks about the above as if they were bad things, when in fact, he's just a typical punk fan that doesn't understand why its important to have complex music sometimes.

God ELP were stupid.

I'm not a big ELP fan, but the the stupidity of that statement boggles the mind, they are in fact musical masters when it comes to technical performance and musical theory. Again more insane wailings from a typical punk fan.

I like a fair bit of Punk, it annoys me that he feels like he has to bash Prog, but at the end of the day I like both genres [although admittedly PROG more] so I'm getting the better deal, and he's missing out.

 

 

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Oh, and BTW he says Roger Dean's album covers are awful.  Yeah............. right.........

Well...I have to put my two cents in.....

first things first.My favorite band is the ramones. I feel a connection with them that is personal. 2nd i was in a punk band for 4 years and we started out playing ramones tunes and misfits songs, and ended up playing jethro tull and ramones songs at the same shows. It was different.

The bottom line is, comming from both a lover of some "punk" and some "prog" is that we just dont understand each others POV on the subjects. "Punks" have a more conservative attitude when it comes to music, and they really just want to have fun and rock and roll. they dont learn theory, they dont care. Especially because prog is exhausting! after a while you just need to take a breath before diving into the next King crimson album.

People into progressive rock are looking for something creative, original, technical....basically all the things a MUSICIAN would look for. or someone who is just a theory head. I think if you can mix feeling with technicality you are deserving of credit. of course punk repetitive after a while, and can cause a person to expand their tastes. some people never do. fortunatly most people here have.

all in all, it is just a misunderstanding of culture, and the reasons why.

Ulf Uggason wrote: Punk was incredibly exciting when it first hit.  But now, over 30 years later........   It's boring as hell! Which honestly is the worst insult you can say about punk, since one of its primary objectives was to eradicate the boring old guard of R&R.  If people today think they are radical and offensive by being "punk," all I can say is "BORING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!" While I love a lot of old punk dearly, I clearly think it is the most overrated form of rock music. BORING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Peace, Ulf

Yes, and theres nothing more pathetic than an old punk hehehee

Punk and Prog are just Evil and Good. If Prog was about reaching the pinnacle of musicianship, Punk was just the opposite (reaching the trash-hood of musicianship). Its like while there is law, there will be crimes. Why bother about what the punks say. They are the alQaeda of music, hatemongers and empty-headed. Besides, what's the point with "pretentous"-- what is not "pretentous" in music (I quote sex pistols--

I am an antichrist
I am an anarchist
Don't know what I want but
I know how to get it
I wanna destroy the passer by cos i

I wanna be anarchy !
No dogs body

Anarchy for the u.k it's coming sometime and maybe
I give a wrong time stop a trafic line
Your future dream is a shopping scheme cos i

I wanna be anarchy !
In the city.....
is it not pretentous itself?)

 

Sharier wrote: Punk and Prog are just Evil and Good. If Prog was about reaching the pinnacle of musicianship, Punk was just the opposite (reaching the trash-hood of musicianship). Its like while there is law, there will be crimes.

That's what I wanted to say. 

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^why? why the f**k would you ever revive this??? Please delete this sh*t for good!!!