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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 23 2005 at 00:20
Originally posted by barbs barbs wrote:

Originally posted by Gaston Gaston wrote:

I blame the learned over any innate quality you may possess. I am highly eccectric, but why does that have any bearing on whether you listen to prog? Alot of eccentricity can be channeled into other areas like painting and theatre. Why music?

Well, for me, it was my parents who did it, inadvertantly, mind you. They were very strict Christians and did NOT allow me to indulge in any forms of rock music as a child. However, on the opposite side of this they DID put me into piano lessons at an early age and had me listening to all the greats, of course, and the charismatic music of pentacostalism (highly energetic soulful gospel) as well as the great hymns of the past couple hundred years.

I was offered to skip a grade and change schools to the art school in my city. I declined, siting a loss of friends, so really, I had one foot in genius and one foot in mediocrity. I feel that I've retained that certain balance for my entire life. I tried desparately to not be the brown noser teachers pet. I remember purposefully answering questions wrong so I wouldn't get perfect on tests. I did particularly well in public school.

So what happened? As a teenager I rebelled. I snuck rock and roll records into the house and listened to them without my parents knowledge but this was the 90s, so it was Nirvana, Smashing Pumpkins and Pearl Jam. As far as my parents were concerned, it was devil music. Something happened though, and I grew tired of these bands and almost completely discarded them all (Pearl Jam I still like though) and I graduated to prog around 1997. Perhaps it was the drugs, perhaps something else, but when I first put on The Dark Side of the Moon, something in my brain was tweaked, and it allowed me to go back to the music of my earlier childhood - classical. And from there it was Yes, Genesis, King Crimson, full speed ahead, you know? You know what it felt like, man, it was like these were the bands I was SUPPOSED to have been listening to as a teenager but didn't. They were like long lost, yet future undiscovered friends.

To a degree, I believe I possess what appears to be some form of musical clairvoyance. I don't know how to explain this except to tell you that, you know how you listen to a record for the first time and it's a great and wonderful experience, well it's like that with me...except that I feel in my mind's eye that I've already heard it before, like in a past life, or... in a dream or something. I know that sounds strange, but before my folks really started to become awfully strict, they themselves listened to prog in the 70s. Perhaps even while I was in the womb - it becomes some sort of innate thing, ingrained in the very fibres of your being, perhaps right in your dna, I don't know, but it's something like that.

But like I say, that's just me, I don't know if other people are so innately prone to prog and in fact, may like progressive rock more because of their upbringing, NOT their disposistion.

So really, what happened with me was that, in effect it was my strict parents who got me into prog simply because I had been required to play piano and study the greats as a child! I had a foreknowledge of prog! Thanks mom!!! (NOTE: This perhaps my explain why I feel I've heard prog songs before, as certain melodies and riffs may have been lifted from the greats, and so it's somewhat of a prog echo)

My parents feel slightly checkmated by this (I mean, come on, my dad tells me that he felt so heavily convicted about listening to rock and roll when he was a hippie cum born again Christian that it basically killed him to see his son listening to it) so I don't really bring it up, but I guess they are happy I'm not into alt-rock anymore (as am I!!!)


My 2.


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Thanks for that Gaston. Even though your story is unique, I think other people will be able to identify with parts of your story and perhaps better understand others, even themselves.

I have had this theory for some time which is to do with the amount of fluid in our bodies. There is this incredible relationship, IMO, between the creation of the earth and our bodies whereby there is a similar percentage of fluid on the earth as there is in our bodies. The effect of waves on the surface of the earth is part of the continual shaping and development of it. There are many associations between the way we should treat our own bodies and the way we should treat the earth as the body we live on.

Sound as you know, produces waves. I can imagine the developing child in the womb, sensing the waves, tiny vibrations of sound around him/her through the fluid the child is immersed in, penetrating through the body and being registered in the developing consciousness of the child. That feeling sometimes that certain sounds or a wall of sound goes 'straight through you' and the complex responses we have to it. It does at times seem like a deja vu type of experience.

Anyway, it is something that I would have liked to have investigated much more thoroughly, scientifically.



Thx Barbs!

BTW, I'm INFP, if you couldn't tell. 


Supposedly, my buddy says that all who take the test, INFP accout for only 5%.


Gaston


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 23 2005 at 01:09

Why I like Progressive Rock Music?

I grew listening to a lot of Classical Music (a lot of records played by my father), The Beatles and other bands from the 60s, and to  some Progressive Rock albums (all these Rock albums played by my older brothers and cousins). I also liked The Archies (!) when I was 6-7 years old.

When I was 11-12 years old, I really started to be interested in the music. I remember that one day I listened again to The Who`s "Tommy" album, but I was impressed particularly by the drums, played by Keith Moon, particularly in the song called "Underture". I think that I started that day to be more interested in the drums. So, I listened again to YES`"Fragile", particularly to "Heart of the Sunrise" and to Bill Bruford`s drums. "Hey, interesting drums there!" I thought. Later, one of my brothers bought King Crimson`s "USA" album, I read the credits in the back cover, "Hey, William Bruford on drums, the same drummer as in the "Fragile" album!" I thought. I think that I started then to listen to the other instruments. I particularly liked the mellotron.Then I listened to the guitars, the bass, etc.

One of my brothers had a band. He is a guitarist. They rehearsed for some time in my parents`house. So one day I saw their drummer play. I saw how he took the drumsticks, etc. One day the drum kit was available! I sat and I played the drums!

By 1979, when I was 14 years old, I bought Genesis`"Seconds Out" and "And there were three" albums. I wanted to be a drummer and to play like Collins, Chester Thompson, Bruford, Alan White...So I started collecting Rock and Prog Rock albums. By 1982, when I was 17 years old, I was playing in bands. I bought my own drum kit.

Prog Rock and Rock music in general, being a school for me as drummer, also was a "refuge" for me when I was a teenager. The majority of my mates at Secondary School liked Disco Music. I was more interested in "mental trips" (without drugs and alcohol!). I was an "introverted person", and I think that I`m still that way. In Hight School there were more "open mind" people who liked Rock music and Prog Rock music, so I could talk with them about bands.

I like music which communicates feelings, emotions. Some days I like some "Heavy" music from Led Zeppelin, Rush, Black Sabbath, King Crimson, etc. Other days I prefer music by P.F.M., YES, Genesis, Eros Ramazzotti, Zucchero, etc. Some days I really can dance! Some days I listen to Bossa Nova played by Herb Alpert & the Tijuana Brass (an old influence played by my father). Some days  I listen to Classical music, or even to some jazz-rock by J.L. Ponty.

I think that I like music on which I can identify myself with the band. For example, I can`t identify myself with Peter Hammill and VDGG or with the 80s-90s version of King Crimson. Too "artsy" for me.

I remember that my father didn`t like some Rock music that my brothers and me listened to. But he likes THe Beatles and The Doors!.

I think that I like Prog Rock music because it is a "mixture" of two influences: the music that my father likes (Classical Music) and the music that my brothers and cousins and some friends and me like (Rock/Prog Music). 



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 23 2005 at 05:25
I saw a lot of weird things when I was a little kid. as I mentioned somewhere before, perhaps even in this thread (too lazy to look it up), my parents were hippies, which should not be a surprise, given time (I was born Dec 1968, my parents were only 18 when I was born; I was a kind of "accident") and location (Oakland CA, just a stone throw from SF, the center of the hippie movement). there was always some kind of freaky music playing (especially Krautrock, but also anything else progressive).
my parents believed in free love and that it was "natural" for kids to watch sexual acts, so I witnessed a lot of mass orgies at an early age. I never understood any of it though and thought the men were hurting the women, and it scared the heck out of me. I was especially afraid for my Mum. interestingly I had no conscious knowledge about this as a grown-up; I had repressed it. I made the mistake of marrying a man at age 21, not being aware of my sexual tendencies at that time. it never worked out sexually though; I was like a statue in bed with my husband. so I went to  a shrink who put me into hypnosis and led me back to the days of my early childhood, and I "relived" them. I had a big row with my parents about their carelessness when my memories were back, and they were not especially proud of what they had done back then.
I am an eccentric not only in my musical taste, the eccentrity is present in all parts of my life, be it clothes, interior design, literature, art, movies or sex (and I am not only referring to being lesbian here. no details though). when I met Friede, I met another eccentric. initially we didn't share many of our eccentrities, though our musical tastes were quite similar; we had different ideas about a lot of things, although they certainly could be named "eccentric". yet it was fun for us to explore the other's eccentrities, and now, after having been together for 11 years, we definitely share them. we are a happy pair of weirdos, and some nickname us "alien twins".


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 23 2005 at 08:20

As many people have said, this is a great thread. I think that people who like prog are generally more intelligent and are searching for more interesting kinds of music. Maybe that's why we find this psychological thread so interesting.

Let's turn this idea on it's head. I like heavy metal and psychedelia. So what kind of person am I? I must be an aggressive druggie! In fact, I am a mild mannered guy who never had anything to do with drugs.

I learnt something else from this thread too - Jean and Friede are a couple. I was wondering why they had the same avatar!

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 23 2005 at 08:39

INFJ - yes me too!

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 23 2005 at 14:04
ENFP (or eNFp as the Keirsey temperment website classifies us) here...."the champion idealist"...
gee I am in the same "league" as Phil Donahue, Bill Moyers, Molly Brown and FDR...
We're a rare breed too...only about 3% of the general population.

Oddly, the profile is very, very accurate....spooky

What an interesting concept...attaching numerical values to human behavior traits. Whoda thunk it?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 23 2005 at 15:00
Well, there aren't too many xSxx types in the poll, maybe there is something to that.   I tend to look at it in much simpler terms.  My enjoyment of progressive music is rooted in the difficulty of the music and the variety/complexity in the parts; as a musician, I tend to respect and enjoy parts that I can't pick up and play myself within five minutes.  Some of the other theories posted earlier don't fly as well - I don't particularly like sci-fi all that much, and wouldn't consider playing a role-playing game.  The reason why some folks like progressive music may not be an answerable question, along the lines of "why is xxxxx your favorite color?"
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 23 2005 at 22:05
Originally posted by BaldJean BaldJean wrote:

I saw a lot of weird things when I was a little kid. as I mentioned somewhere before, perhaps even in this thread (too lazy to look it up), my parents were hippies, which should not be a surprise, given time (I was born Dec 1968, my parents were only 18 when I was born; I was a kind of "accident") and location (Oakland CA, just a stone throw from SF, the center of the hippie movement). there was always some kind of freaky music playing (especially Krautrock, but also anything else progressive).
my parents believed in free love and that it was "natural" for kids to watch sexual acts, so I witnessed a lot of mass orgies at an early age. I never understood any of it though and thought the men were hurting the women, and it scared the heck out of me. I was especially afraid for my Mum. interestingly I had no conscious knowledge about this as a grown-up; I had repressed it. I made the mistake of marrying a man at age 21, not being aware of my sexual tendencies at that time. it never worked out sexually though; I was like a statue in bed with my husband. so I went to  a shrink who put me into hypnosis and led me back to the days of my early childhood, and I "relived" them. I had a big row with my parents about their carelessness when my memories were back, and they were not especially proud of what they had done back then.
I am an eccentric not only in my musical taste, the eccentrity is present in all parts of my life, be it clothes, interior design, literature, art, movies or sex (and I am not only referring to being lesbian here. no details though). when I met Friede, I met another eccentric. initially we didn't share many of our eccentrities, though our musical tastes were quite similar; we had different ideas about a lot of things, although they certainly could be named "eccentric". yet it was fun for us to explore the other's eccentrities, and now, after having been together for 11 years, we definitely share them. we are a happy pair of weirdos, and some nickname us "alien twins".


What and extraordinary/difficult period you lived through Jean. I cannot help feeling for you then, as children are so beautifully innocent and wonderous about the world around them, and the actions of adults, particularly primary caregivers, can have devestating and long lasting consequences on the psyche of a child. I can't remember who said this (you may remember) but it was something like this. 'Give me the child till he is 7 and I will give you the man.' I actually think this saying should be 'Give me the child till they are 7 and I will give you the person.'  
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