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ita_prog_fan 
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 Posted: May 25 2005 at 15:15 |
There is more than one composition called Images.
"Images 1ere Serie"
"Images 2eme Serie"
"Images (oubliées)"
all for piano, and
"Images pour Orchestre"
I don't know any orchestrated version of "Images" 1 and 2 or "Images (oubliées)" (and i have also the strangest Debussy's compositions, such as Rapsodie pour Saxophone, Khamma, Tarantelle Styrienne, etc.) but maybe there are a lot...
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Sir Realist
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Posted: May 25 2005 at 15:52 |
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Actually, Beethoven is the ultimate prog. He pushed the boundaries of,
and redefined, every form in which he wrote. He made music louder,
more dramatic, more searching, and more extended.
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I can have double standards, and you can't
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nacho
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Posted: May 25 2005 at 16:04 |
 Sir Realist wrote:
Actually, Beethoven is the ultimate prog. He pushed the boundaries of,
and redefined, every form in which he wrote. He made music louder,
more dramatic, more searching, and more extended. |
What you have written is true, but I think I could write a number of names where you wrote Beethoven, keep the rest of the sentence, and it would still be true...
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Sir Realist
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Posted: May 25 2005 at 16:24 |
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Great. Name some.
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I can have double standards, and you can't
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Posted: May 25 2005 at 16:37 |
Three names to start with: J.S. Bach, Berlioz, Wagner
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ita_prog_fan
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Posted: May 25 2005 at 16:41 |
nacho wrote:
Three names to start with: J.S. Bach, Berlioz, Wagner
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Beethoven was the first in many fields: the first muscian to be successfully manager of himself (ant not a servant), the first to understand what to do with the forma sonata, the first to put political ideas in music, the first to deeply explore piano possibilities, the first to write "real" violin sonatas, the first to wirte a violin concerto dedicated to music and not to the violinists' ego  (eh eh eh) etc. etc. ...maybe the first to write masterpieces that he couldn't listen to...  and never, never he ceased to be the first inspiration to composers after him.
Bach brought to perfection existing musical forms, he is considered, mostly by people who deeply studied music (i got a lot of friends among that kind of peole), the greatest musician ever, but i think they do like to loose themselves in deep technicism... due to his kind of life, after his death was almost forgotten (when baron Van Swieten talked to Mozart about Bach, the fab Wolgang almost never heard about him before  )... meanwhile a great innovator like Haydn (he "only" invented symphony, string quartet...) perfectly grew up.
Wagner began to walk a line conducting to Schoenberg and the Wiener Schule... and then to total disintegration of music as kown before.
Berlioz... wrote a very monumental and boring requiem... 
Bye
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Posted: May 25 2005 at 16:48 |
Listen to Berlioz's Requiem and tell me when something like that had been composed before...
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ita_prog_fan
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Posted: May 25 2005 at 17:15 |
nacho wrote:
Listen to Berlioz's Requiem and tell me when something like that had been composed before...
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I just was talking about that..... 
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haas
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Posted: May 25 2005 at 18:59 |
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Wauw, some real classical fans here. Listen to the first of the Images Oubliees, by Claude Debussy, It's so beautifull, emotional, and close to life, really fantastic.
I think i'm gonna play it myself right now ;).
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"the attraction of the virtuoso for the public is very like that of the circus for the crowd. there is always the hope that something dangerous may happen" - Claude Debussy
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nacho
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Posted: May 25 2005 at 19:06 |
ita_prog_fan wrote:
nacho wrote:
Listen to Berlioz's Requiem and tell me when something like that had been composed before...
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I just was talking about that.....
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OK, you edited a post that originally only said "Berlioz?", thus my answer about the Requiem. Boring? I don't think so, but... Actually, I started to enjoy it more after attending a quite impressive live performance a few years ago...
Anyway, think in the Symphonie Fantastique: the first "Concept Symphony". But I see you are not a big Berlioz fan...
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Posted: May 26 2005 at 03:16 |
haas wrote:
Wauw, some real classical fans here. Listen to the first of the Images Oubliees, by Claude Debussy, It's so beautifull, emotional, and close to life, really fantastic.
I think i'm gonna play it myself right now ;).
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That's great you enjoyed!
There are other orchestral pieces like "nuages" (clouds)that you should try.
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Posted: May 26 2005 at 04:52 |
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I've listened to Khatchaturian's violin Concerto yesterday night...maybe the most beautiful and emotionnal piece I've ever heard...for me it's better than pieces you mentionned about Debussy
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Posted: May 26 2005 at 05:21 |
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You go far, philippe!
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Posted: May 26 2005 at 06:13 |
that's just my personnal opinion...make the comparaison and you will see what I mean
Also Dmitri Shostakovich's concerto in A minor figures among the top
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Posted: May 26 2005 at 08:08 |
philippe wrote:
I've listened to Khatchaturian's violin Concerto yesterday night...maybe the most beautiful and emotionnal piece I've ever heard...for me it's better than pieces you mentionned about Debussy |
Did they play it at the Queen Elizabeth concours in Belgium? I will listen to it, if I can find it.
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"the attraction of the virtuoso for the public is very like that of the circus for the crowd. there is always the hope that something dangerous may happen" - Claude Debussy
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Posted: May 26 2005 at 09:05 |
I really don't know guy, the version I've listened to was performed by Leonid Kogan with Moscou national Orchestra during the 50s
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Posted: May 26 2005 at 09:11 |
haas wrote:
I have never heard these Orchestral Version!! But most times I hate the orchestral versions because the composer didn't write it for an orchestra but for the piano. I really don't like these arrangers who arrange such a masterpiece to something it wasn't ment to be. |
Try the Monteux version of Debussy's "Images".
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Posted: May 26 2005 at 12:04 |
philippe wrote:
I've listened to Khatchaturian's violin Concerto
yesterday night...maybe the most beautiful and emotionnal piece I've
ever heard...for me it's better than pieces you mentionned about
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Great composition, I love his piano concerto too
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Posted: May 26 2005 at 12:07 |
philippe wrote:
that's just my personnal opinion...make the comparaison and you will see what I mean
Also Dmitri Shostakovich's concerto in A minor figures among the top |
Have you listened to Shostakovich's string quartets no. 8 & 9? impressive!
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Posted: May 26 2005 at 12:32 |
nacho wrote:
OK, you edited a post that originally only said "Berlioz?", thus my answer about the Requiem. Boring? I don't think so, but... Actually, I started to enjoy it more after attending a quite impressive live performance a few years ago...
Anyway, think in the Symphonie Fantastique: the first "Concept Symphony". But I see you are not a big Berlioz fan...
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You're really right about the Simphonie... but i don't like either  .
Did you attend a performance with all the fanfares at the corners of the church !? 
List of composers i really don't like: Berlioz , Sanit-Saens, Mendelsohnn, Chaikosvky, Rachmaninov, Skryabin, Paganini, Sibelius and 19th century national schools in general.
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