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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 19 2005 at 08:12
Very intresting topic to read. I think Barbs has made some very good points and is absolutely right.

Someone has said that a persons bookshelf reflects his/her personality. I think the same can be said about his/her music taste.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 19 2005 at 09:41

Originally posted by barbs barbs wrote:

Originally posted by BaldJean BaldJean wrote:

Originally posted by barbs barbs wrote:

Originally posted by cobb cobb wrote:

This is pretty heavy stuff here Barbs....

Why do i love bananna flavour in dairy products but detest banannas?

These are all questions that I do not need to know the why of- I just know


Now that is interesting. I love bananas and banana smoothies and toasted bacon, cheese and banana fingers but banana in dairy products is yuk to me.

I'm just naturally curious about these things Cobb. Some people are, some aren't.

Barbs, you should read "Gravity's Rainbow" by Thomas Pynchon. At the beginning there is a scene with a banana breakfast, where bananas appear in every imaginable way.


I just love the way they are so easy to 'unwrap' Jean. If I was dumped on a desert island with the choice of only one food source, it would probably be bananas but mangoes come a close second.

I agree with you about banana flavor in dairy products you can buy, like yoghurt. the artificial banana arome in them is nowhere near the real taste of bananas. but try making some banana milk yourself. mesh them and mix them with the milk - it tastes fantastic!

but stay away from banana beer! yes, it really exists; there is a pub in Cologne that offers literally over a hundred different types of beer (most of them bottled, of course), among them a banana beer. yikes to the power of 3!



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 19 2005 at 11:15
    Sadly, we proggers are forced to confront a series of problems that fans/fanatics of other genres are generally not forced to endure:  (1) their passion being constantly panned by "the so-called music critics" as being pretentious, bombastic, and pompous,(2) a mainstream media that largely does not acknowledge that prog (and it's myriad of sub-categories) EVEN EXISTS, and (3) an overall ignorance by the "average music consumer/listener" in the genre and a lack of willingness to listen to something "esoteric" or "different"  due to the aforementioned numbers one and two. I've always marched to the beat of a diffent drum machine. I've never been the "average music consumer/listener."
    Most likely my interest in progressive rock, as with most of you who take the time to read this, comes about not so much as a product of nature vs. nurture, but rather nature plus nurture. Where we fall on the food chain and the environment where we were raised, most likely makes us proggers.
    I propose that we proggers are most likely towards the upper end of the bell curve. I don't intend to imply that one is "affected"  if he or she choose to listen to Beyonce, Coldplay, 50 Cent, or Tim McGraw. I'm sure there are some very bright folks who listen to othertypes of music, but by the very nature of prog's construction, it takes a different type of "wiring" to fully appreciate the very way it's assembled, let alone all the nuances and sub-genres. How can I appreciate Can, Magma, Henry Cow, Univers Zero and Taal at one end of the spectrum and PFM, Celeste, Fruupp, Gryphon and the Moodies at the other? Nature plus nurture, I suspect.
    Growing up in house where Dave Brubeck, Louis Armstrong, Kay Kaiser, Edvard Grieg, Modeste Mussorgsky, Anton Dvorak and Ray Charles all spent time on the record player, probably has a little to do with my passion for prog. At the same time Ed Sullivan had the Beatles, the Stones, and the Lovin' Spoonful on Sunday nights (of course my parents watched for Topo Gigio and Victor Borge).
    Hearing 21st Century Schizoid Man on a late-night FM show called "Sunday Subway" may have been the catalyst for me. The same program introduced Gypsy (of a Strange and Distant Time), Space Oddity, and Steppenwolf's Monster to me. A long, strange trip it has indeed been!

     

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 20 2005 at 06:26
Originally posted by BaldJean BaldJean wrote:

Originally posted by barbs barbs wrote:

Originally posted by BaldJean BaldJean wrote:

Originally posted by barbs barbs wrote:

Originally posted by cobb cobb wrote:

This is pretty heavy stuff here Barbs....

Why do i love bananna flavour in dairy products but detest banannas?

These are all questions that I do not need to know the why of- I just know


Now that is interesting. I love bananas and banana smoothies and toasted bacon, cheese and banana fingers but banana in dairy products is yuk to me.

I'm just naturally curious about these things Cobb. Some people are, some aren't.

Barbs, you should read "Gravity's Rainbow" by Thomas Pynchon. At the beginning there is a scene with a banana breakfast, where bananas appear in every imaginable way.


I just love the way they are so easy to 'unwrap' Jean. If I was dumped on a desert island with the choice of only one food source, it would probably be bananas but mangoes come a close second.

I agree with you about banana flavor in dairy products you can buy, like yoghurt. the artificial banana arome in them is nowhere near the real taste of bananas. but try making some banana milk yourself. mesh them and mix them with the milk - it tastes fantastic!

but stay away from banana beer! yes, it really exists; there is a pub in Cologne that offers literally over a hundred different types of beer (most of them bottled, of course), among them a banana beer. yikes to the power of 3!



I have become somewhat of an expert at making banana smoothies Jean. If you have an industrial milkshake maker, 1 or 2 nicely ripened bananas, chopped up and mixed first with appx half a litre of milk, add large tablespoon of malt, two large tablespoons of good quality vanilla icecream (more if you like) and add about half a teaspoon of nutmeg and mix till its real creamy smoothie.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 20 2005 at 07:53
the adding of nutmeg sounds interesting, I'll definitely try that. I like adding some crunched hazelnut. and a little bit of rum


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 20 2005 at 07:55

I enjoy thought provoking and quite "deep" music. What other type of music has such great thought provoking lyrics, themes and challenging music?
My first prog band was Pink Floyd, who some say is too pessimistic, but for me they were ideal, and i listened to thier albums many times, thinking about the meaning beyond the notes of the music.

I'm quite sure im not alone at liking prog for the "challenge" that it takes to listen to it. I also love the emotions it gives the listener, only if you listen closely enough.



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 20 2005 at 11:22
Originally posted by spectral spectral wrote:

Is being an "eccentric" your nature or something you've made efforts to become?  Not that I'm saying this of you, but some people like the idea of being an eccentric and force themselves to revel in eccentricities - i.e. watching particular films, reading certain books etc.. Is it a character trait or is it experiences when you are young that shapes/brings out your eccentric personality?

Well, I'd say that I'm certainly an eccentric and always have been. When I was young I was bullied about a few aspects of my personality (well okay, all of them) and after a while I took steps to try and quash this by burying my own personality and interests under those that I thought "normal" boys had. I failed, and quickly decided to bugger the lot of 'em and just be me. I'd say this goes for all real eccentrics - we're people who were born a little of sync with normality and thus we need to play by our own rules or perish. I know this is true of me and is no doubt true of the Baldies too. Does this mean to say that all eccentrics like RIO? No, of course not. It probably helps, though.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 20 2005 at 20:49

I can tell you with some certainty that there is almost no correlation between personality types and liking prog music. I have been a musician for a long time and have been to lots of prog festival type things, I've known lots of prog musicians and fans.

I have known prog fans that were the type of loners described here to extreme extroverts. From nerds and geeks to bikers and hippies and everything in between.

From tree-hugging caring pacifists to flag-waving nazis.  In fact I was quite shocked at some of the people on the Yes forums and it took an OT thread for their true colours to show and it was quite an eye-opener in that you think you are dealing with a certain kind of person and find out the contrary.

I'd say if there is a profile of the 'average' prog fan these days they are male, middle-age, probably married with a few kids - other than that they could range from Gandi to Charles Manson and still be just as big a fan of prog.

 

 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 20 2005 at 21:36
To the comment that proggers tend to like fantasy/sci-fi films...I love prog yet I hate fantasy/sci-fi films.  But hey, that's just me
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 20 2005 at 22:26

Firstly, I'll echo all those who have said "Great thread." 

The only definition I can give of why I like it better than other genres is that it paints more exciting images in my head.  This may also define why I like almost all juristictions of prog, from Tux to Trouser.  I love Marillion's Misplaced Childhood because when I'm in the right mindset for it, I can really "live the album".  I cand close my eyes, and suddenly, I'm there, in this meloncholy semi-cartoon world, brought to life by the sonic textures of the music and the drama of the lyrics.  I also love Genesis, my preferred album being the wildest, and that's of course The Lamb Lies Down on Broadway.  This album paints deep, dull colours and is generally quite morbid.  This quality juxtaposed with with Gabriel's cleverness in lines such as "The cheerleader waves a cyonide wand, there's a smell of peach blossom and bitter almond..." makes the album an almost horrific experiance.  And I do like Pink Floyd as well!  Albums like DSOTM send shivers up my spine.  My favorite band, though, is Yes, partially because when I listen to them for the "big picture" like I've been describing here for the other albums, I get brighter, more appealing colours.  They could do the dark stuff too, though; Relayer proved that. 

Oh, yes.  And I also consider myself an eccentric.  Not a self-made one either, a real eccentric.  Since I was very young, I liked the wierd, theatrical music, the movies with lots of special effects and spaceships, and the Italian food.  A lot of eccentrics like Italian food, don't you find?  But unlike poor Trouser, I've never been mistreated for it.  In fact, I'm very well liked, and respected.  I've never actually met another prog fan, probably because I live in an artistically deprived place called Western Canada.  Well not artistically deprived, there is a lot of appreciation for jazz and classical, especially in a fairly artsy town like mine.  But for some reason, not prog rock.  Well, at least nobody knows how nerdy it's considered!  That may very well be the only reason I'm respected at all!

Oh, and yes, I do like a challenge.  I play piano and trumpet.  I recently tried to transcribe the solo at the beginning of Firth of Fifth note for note, and it definately was a challenge!

Keep the suggestions coming, by the way!  Let's try and get everyone's take on this topic!  

      

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 20 2005 at 23:23
Yes, of course, excellent thread Barbs....you should've been a psychologist!

I often find myself asking the same question to myself, and I always ask people what kind of music they listen to.  Most of the time it is directly linked with their personality and past experiences.  Me, I'm very laid back, so I prefer calm, gentler music. The rock band I first ever loved was Pink Floyd, the dark passages and deep meaning of the lyrics really pulled me in.  Now,there is a kind of music for every mood I have.  Some of my friends tell me that I have multiple personalities, and I've always thought of this as ironic, because they all know me by a different 'nick-name', and I behave somewhat different around each of them.  Each of these "multiple personalities" has a different musical preference:  When I'm in a good mood, with lots of adrenaline I prefer the harder stuff to get me "pumped up".  When I have a bad day, and I'm pesimistic I choose darker music like Opeth, Pink Floyd,etc.  When I am sad I like melancholic music (obviously).  So if there is different kinds of music for each mood, the same should go with personality.  People listen to music that they can relate to, and that strikes a chord within their soul.  You can tell a lot about someone by the stuff they listen to-- it's like a window into their mind.

Syntharachnid, I know exactly what you mean by 'painting a picture in your mind'.  This is precisely the case with myself.  Music is my escape from reality, it takes me on a journey to a better place-- blue skies and green fields

Aside:  Man this is so frustrating.  When trying to assemble my response I am overcome with emotion, and I can't think of the words to describe it.  I'll try to think about it later, ps., I'm sorry if this post doesn't make much sense (my head is flooded with thoughts at the moment, I better take some time to sort them out).

 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 21 2005 at 03:35
Originally posted by Fearless Fearless wrote:

Yes, of course, excellent thread Barbs....you should've been a psychologist!

I often find myself asking the same question to myself, and I always ask people what kind of music they listen to.  Most of the time it is directly linked with their personality and past experiences.  Me, I'm very laid back, so I prefer calm, gentler music. The rock band I first ever loved was Pink Floyd, the dark passages and deep meaning of the lyrics really pulled me in.  Now,there is a kind of music for every mood I have.  Some of my friends tell me that I have multiple personalities, and I've always thought of this as ironic, because they all know me by a different 'nick-name', and I behave somewhat different around each of them.  Each of these "multiple personalities" has a different musical preference:  When I'm in a good mood, with lots of adrenaline I prefer the harder stuff to get me "pumped up".  When I have a bad day, and I'm pesimistic I choose darker music like Opeth, Pink Floyd,etc.  When I am sad I like melancholic music (obviously).  So if there is different kinds of music for each mood, the same should go with personality.  People listen to music that they can relate to, and that strikes a chord within their soul.  You can tell a lot about someone by the stuff they listen to-- it's like a window into their mind.

Syntharachnid, I know exactly what you mean by 'painting a picture in your mind'.  This is precisely the case with myself.  Music is my escape from reality, it takes me on a journey to a better place-- blue skies and green fields

Aside:  Man this is so frustrating.  When trying to assemble my response I am overcome with emotion, and I can't think of the words to describe it.  I'll try to think about it later, ps., I'm sorry if this post doesn't make much sense (my head is flooded with thoughts at the moment, I better take some time to sort them out).

 



And I think you are Fearless, because you have been very open about yourself. Music can be so beautiful, evocative and inexplicably captivating. I can understand your frustration as I have had the same experience trying to describe it.

I have been thinking that music has a language all of its own and that is why IMO it can strike at the heart and soul of a person so powerfully because it can touch us in that way. What lies at the heart of the soul of a song, communicates this to us and we interpret this according to where we are at, at that time, through our personality types. IMO, you only truly understand this when you have been totally captivated by a piece of music, letting it take you where it wants you to go which essentially ends up being where we choose to let it take us. I think personality and character have a bit to do with what we choose, where we go and how far we choose to let it take us. I feel great freedom when I listen to the music of my own choosing, particularly the songs I really love.

One thing I do also believe. If music can have such a beautiful effect upon us, it can also, if it is used in the wrong way, 'put us on a downer' or 'put us further down'. Freedom of choice is not meant to enslave us so music should be liberating/enjoyable/challenging not enslaving by encouraging us into destructive thought processes, particularly about ourselves. Freedom of choice is a powerful thing for good if we use wisdom.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 21 2005 at 04:17
Here are my two cents.

I am an absolute nerd (and proud of it!) My movie tastes tend to the sci fi/fantasy genre as do my literary choices. I am an RPG (role playing game, for you hipsters) fanatic, and I love card games such as Magic. Prog rock just clicked with me (all kinds, I favor no particular sub-genre), and I suppose it was because I just liked expression that went beyond the everyday experience. Don't get me wrong I am a nut for all music forms, most especially bebop jazz, prog (duh!), underground hip-hop, electronica, classical, etc... But I just wanted something that tried to go, well, beyond. I think that is certainly indicitve of a personality type. My roommate is the perfect example. I play him prog, which he occasionally enjoys, and he plays me techno/post-rock/chillout, which I occaisionally enjoy. We both love the music for the same reasons, we just love different styles. Again, our movie/TV/literature tastes differ as well, but again, when we argue our faves, we sound surprisingly similar. This is why I believe most proggers are very much the same: the music speaks to us in very specific ways. This is also why I believe prog lyrics tend toward the sci-fi/fantasy. We share common interests. Even though my roommate is a very intelligent, music loving person, we enjoy different styles because of our underlying difference about what interests us. To each his own...


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 21 2005 at 04:26
Originally posted by Trouserpress Trouserpress wrote:

 

Well, I'd say that I'm certainly an eccentric and always have been. When I was young I was bullied about a few aspects of my personality (well okay, all of them) and after a while I took steps to try and quash this by burying my own personality and interests under those that I thought "normal" boys had. I failed, and quickly decided to bugger the lot of 'em and just be me. I'd say this goes for all real eccentrics - we're people who were born a little of sync with normality and thus we need to play by our own rules or perish. I know this is true of me and is no doubt true of the Baldies too. Does this mean to say that all eccentrics like RIO? No, of course not. It probably helps, though.



 Now I know you didn't mean this literally Trous and it is a bit naughty to pick it out of your post but the subconscious, darkly comedic side of your personality has shown through here I think.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 21 2005 at 13:06

Originally posted by barbs barbs wrote:




I have been thinking that music has a language all of its own and that is why IMO it can strike at the heart and soul of a person so powerfully because it can touch us in that way. What lies at the heart of the soul of a song, communicates this to us and we interpret this according to where we are at, at that time, through our personality types. IMO, you only truly understand this when you have been totally captivated by a piece of music, letting it take you where it wants you to go which essentially ends up being where we choose to let it take us. I think personality and character have a bit to do with what we choose, where we go and how far we choose to let it take us. I feel great freedom when I listen to the music of my own choosing, particularly the songs I really love.


Wow.  That's what I was trying to say.  Thanks

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 21 2005 at 14:22
Originally posted by spectral spectral wrote:

I think the main personality trait required is an open mind. if you're not open minded then you will never listen to the more interesting bands. you also need to be tenacious. if you turn off a record after 1 listen, you've not going to gain an appreciation. however, if you stick with it you open your mind to enjoying it. prog is an interesting beast that requires attentive listening to enjoy and discover new bands.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 21 2005 at 14:33
I don't think I can explain this well.  I'm an INFJ, one of those freaks. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 21 2005 at 15:45

Well, I used to be a Dick when it came to music.  Then, when I got into prog, I became even MORE of a dick.  It wasn't until reccently that I became a lot more accepting of music as a whole.  As long as you realize that music is music, and realize that it will affect you and others in diferent ways, then You'll be fine

 

On that note, I suggest evrybody give a try to the album Low End Theory by A Tribe Called Quest .

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 21 2005 at 15:49

Originally posted by Man Overboard Man Overboard wrote:

I don't think I can explain this well.  I'm an INFJ, one of those freaks. 

That's a very intersting link.  I've read about Jung's work, and it is very intriguing to me.

I've just taken Jung's test at www.humanmetrics.com, and it says I am an "INFJ".  This is fairly accurate, but there a parts of the description that I don't fit.

I encourage you all to take this test.  (it is the first bullet "Jung Typology Test")



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 21 2005 at 17:28


Funny this topic should come up as I was just this very week discussing it with my pychoanalyst.  He is utterly convinced that my desire to listen to progressive has something to do with my relationship with my parents.  We had a breakthrough some months ago involving a memory of being forced to listen to MacArthur's Park by Richard Harris.  This traumatic event, he has concluded, led to the development of my insatiable desire to hear outstanding music.  Who would have thought abuse was at the heart of it?  Truly a breakthrough.  He's worth every taxpayer funded penny. 
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