All Christians are Homophobes

hopelevre wrote: anyone who still wants to deny the developed or learned phenomena of homosexuality: google the acronym "nambla"....this is the "north american man/boy love association"...you can read all about how these gay men need to further their cause and press toward the right to continue their love affairs with 12 and 13 year old boys....read testimonials from these boys about their torrid affairs and how they "were the best thing that had happened in their lives".....if gayness was genetic organizations like this one wouldnt exist because the gay men involved would know it was futile to try to convert this young children....organizations like this are why we are intolerant and we should be...this is sick and thsoe who turn the other cheek to that kind of behaviour might as well have gun to their own child's head.....i dotn have a problem with gayness....i have a problem with the parade of it down mainstreet while my kids are watching on tv or the nambla organization targetign soem of our kids right now....they even have tips on this site to get around police entrapment and the like, so they can be sure not to get in trouble while deflowering children.....if gays wanted us to be tolerant they wouldnt target our children and shove back in our face the recent tolerance we have granted

Personally I have no idea if my gayness is something learned or genetic. Quite frankly, I REALLY don't care. As far as Nambla goes...they are despicable...and the fact that they are allowed to march in gay parades is the very reason I have never attended one of those "This gives me a chance to behave excessively lewd" fests.

hopelevre wrote: anyone who still wants to deny the developed or learned phenomena of homosexuality: google the acronym "nambla"....this is the "north american man/boy love association"...you can read all about how these gay men need to further their cause and press toward the right to continue their love affairs with 12 and 13 year old boys....read testimonials from these boys about their torrid affairs and how they "were the best thing that had happened in their lives".....if gayness was genetic organizations like this one wouldnt exist because the gay men involved would know it was futile to try to convert this young children....organizations like this are why we are intolerant and we should be...this is sick and thsoe who turn the other cheek to that kind of behaviour might as well have gun to their own child's head.....i dotn have a problem with gayness....i have a problem with the parade of it down mainstreet while my kids are watching on tv or the nambla organization targetign soem of our kids right now....they even have tips on this site to get around police entrapment and the like, so they can be sure not to get in trouble while deflowering children.....if gays wanted us to be tolerant they wouldnt target our children and shove back in our face the recent tolerance we have granted

All this rambling and fractured argument.

Hopelevre-have you got something you wish to announce to the forum?

Dont be scared-we are very understanding on here.......

Could we possibly have our first coming-out-of-the-closet event??

Sean Trane wrote: JAMES, I read you well that this camp homosexuality is the answer to empathy towards them , but provoking the conservateurs is not intelligent. Remember that the vast majority is still hetero, conservateur and relatively tolerant so that those laws protecting the gays were made. But provocation can take away the tolerance of the vast majority. Laws are made and they can be undone. I would say that gays should thank the majority for better conditions to live their chosen lifestyles other than by stupid provocation, assertive gayness and avoid such parade as Gay Pride. The best way to live happy is to be yourself and not camp a role (whichever it might be). In french:" Pour Vivre Heureux, Vivons Caché" be happy , be hidden!

While we're at it, let's keep those blacks from acting so over-the-top black all the time too...

James Lee wrote: Sean Trane wrote: JAMES, I read you well that this camp homosexuality is the answer to empathy towards them , but provoking the conservateurs is not intelligent. Remember that the vast majority is still hetero, conservateur and relatively tolerant so that those laws protecting the gays were made. But provocation can take away the tolerance of the vast majority. Laws are made and they can be undone. I would say that gays should thank the majority for better conditions to live their chosen lifestyles other than by stupid provocation, assertive gayness and avoid such parade as Gay Pride. The best way to live happy is to be yourself and not camp a role (whichever it might be). In french:" Pour Vivre Heureux, Vivons Caché" be happy , be hidden! While we're at it, let's keep those blacks from acting so over-the-top black all the time too...

Hmm,but surely that is a cliche too.I mean for a 50 year old black man,the boyz in the hood persona must seem as alien and uncomfortable a sterotype to him as camp gayness does to Gdub.

Reed Lover wrote: James Lee wrote: Sean Trane wrote: JAMES, I read you well that this camp homosexuality is the answer to empathy towards them , but provoking the conservateurs is not intelligent. Remember that the vast majority is still hetero, conservateur and relatively tolerant so that those laws protecting the gays were made. But provocation can take away the tolerance of the vast majority. Laws are made and they can be undone. I would say that gays should thank the majority for better conditions to live their chosen lifestyles other than by stupid provocation, assertive gayness and avoid such parade as Gay Pride. The best way to live happy is to be yourself and not camp a role (whichever it might be). In french:" Pour Vivre Heureux, Vivons Caché" be happy , be hidden! While we're at it, let's keep those blacks from acting so over-the-top black all the time too... Hmm,but surely that is a cliche too.I mean for a 50 year old black man,the boyz in the hood persona must seem as alien and uncomfortable a sterotype to him as camp gayness does to Gdub.

point taken...but stereotypes are exaggerated because they represent something real that is in danger of being lost when a group is assimilated and homogenized. I was just making the point that it may be condescending to think that you should be thankful for being allowed to remain true to yourself.

I am gay, and I am Christian.  I don't see why the two should be mutually exclusive, and I *do* study the Bible and understand its teachings.  I also understand that what is preached in churches today does not necessarily reflect the teachings of the Bible.

Before one uses the Bible or Christianity as a weapon against homosexuality, I advise them to first understand the context of Leviticus, and to then read first and second Kings, and first and second Samual, and observe the nature of the relationship between David and Jonathan, and to understand why Jonathan was not allowed to be the successor to his father, Saul, yet David was.

You are a preacher now are you

gdub411 wrote: Velvetclown wrote: No gdub411 you´re not, you´re just a pain in the ass  Yes...but a loveable pain in the ass. I was reading about Dante's Infernal...he describes hell as having 9 layers. The lower the layer the more you get tormented for your sins. He had placed homosexuals and people who commit suicide into the 9th layer(subject to suffer Satan's greatest torments while the murderers were on the 8th. Apparently murderers aren't the dregs and scourge of humanity...it is the gays. Another fine analysis from a "loving" christian!

That was Dante's view not Christianity's view.  Even so, I am a Christian and the church has a stand reagrding gays.  While still beaibg a Christian, my view is completely different. I accept homosexuals as I hope that homosexuals accept hetrosexuals. You don't mess with me and I don't mess with you kind of situation - Live and let Live

A lovely topic, this one. For your information:

 - I'm gay, and I'm not proud of it, just as I'm not proud of having brown hair, for example. Most of my friends are straight, there's been years since the last time I entered a gay bar, I detest camp and haven't been in a "gay pride" march in all my life. However, I was involved in gay pride associations back in my college days. Why? Because of the existence of narrow - minded bigots like some forum members I won't mention here.

 - My favorite insult when I address another man (gay or straight) isn't "bitch". I'd rather use the good ol' "son of a bitch" or, in my mother tongue, "hijo de puta". In my hometown (small, provincial and conservative) I got beaten up a couple of times as a result of the worst idea of all my life: coming out. Fortunately, I had King Crimson. Playing "Red" at full volume after being kicked and robbed by two sons of a bitch (former friends) that screamed "faggot!" was a good way to recover self esteem. My two best friends (a boy and a girl) had similar experiences when they realised they just couldn't hide it anymore. We're still here, alive and kicking, mainly due to music, prog or not.

 - Thus, the only thing I can say to that pack of homophobic wolves gdub411 has released is this: shut up, please, and don't spread your prejudices. At least, not in public. I haven't read such a long list of stereotypes, dogma and hate stuff in a really long time. Since we prog fans are treated like dinosaur - worshipping dorks (that's a prejudice, too!) by the rest of the music community, I thought the crowd would be a little more respectful with this issue.I'm sorry to see it isn't true.

- One final thing: Threefates, you're the one and only ELP fan in this world I respect and admire . Your sons are really, really lucky men.

JrKASperov wrote: Totally omitting the fact that God created woman for man. Not man for man or woman for woman.

Well, we believe we were created for each other. But then we are not of the Christian but of a "pagan" faith.