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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 05 2005 at 21:26

well Robert fripp is a red ..!!

Robert Wyatt Is a red.!   Song for Ché From the album "Ruth is Stranger Than Richard" - The DONDEESTAN Album

Salvador Allende

communist president in Chile 1970-1973

  


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 06 2005 at 04:00

Hmm...A slight resemblence. That's why Fripp had part of his face blocked out on that album cover.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 06 2005 at 06:24
Originally posted by spectral spectral wrote:

Are there any communist prog bands out there?  I'm thinking that perhaps Russia or China may have contributed a few bands of this nature.


All of them are bloody commies! to hell with them...
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 06 2005 at 06:44

Robert Wyatt was a memebr of the Communist Party of Great Britain for over 10 years, and this is refelected in some of his songwriting and the songs he chooses to cover. Nothing Can Stop Us, Old Rottenhat and Dondestan all have a lot of politically explicit material on them.

Henry Cow were also into left wing politics, a commitment which most of those involved retain up to the present day, Chris Cutler in particular.

The other RIO bands - Etron Fou, Art Zoyd, Stormy 6, Zammla Mammaz Manna and Univers Zero - all shared a similar political outlook, though the exact nature of their engagement varied considerably - Art Zoyd, for example, had a detailed manifesto to describe their art and politics, while to the best of my knowledge Univers Zero have never made any public statements about their political beliefs.

I've always though that most prog is inclined more to the left than to the right. can anyone think of any explicitly right wing prog acts?

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 06 2005 at 17:48

VIVA FIDEL CASTRO AND THE FREE CUBA

 



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 06 2005 at 17:51

Viva la libertad Y viva el rock Progresivo.!!!!


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 06 2005 at 17:54

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Viva cuba and the Habanos

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 06 2005 at 18:26

German bands  of early 70s such as Eloy were left oriented.It is interesting tthat countries with extreme right past is growning with extreme left youth,and vice versa.But speaking about politics in music, criticizing capitalism and consuming society Pink Floyd's Animals was the best in my opinion.

 

Viva communismo e la liberta

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 06 2005 at 21:56

A lot of the English kids in the late 60s and 70s found joing the Party fashionable....only to have it come back and bite the uncommited among the lot on the ass as the govt. made the list public to potential employers....."Ahhhhh, Mr. Blythe-Smith, your resume looks great but what's this Communist Party membership here, lad?".   The groovier ideals of Communism....the Manifesto, not the Vanguard of the Proletariat....was essential to the hippie and often the inspiration for a lot of the fledgling prog bands.  It sure beat working.....for the man. 

I like to feel the suspense when you're certain you know I am there.....
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 06 2005 at 22:08
Originally posted by Eetu Pellonpää Eetu Pellonpää wrote:

Originally posted by spectral spectral wrote:

Couldn't they have just taken drugs!  would've been less dangerous!

No! If you were caught from smoking (or even thinking about) weed you got exessive punishment from the authorities. Finland shares the mass hysteria towards drugs with America and Sweden. It's OK to be a violent alcoholic, but if you smoke dope you are taken to face the riffle squad.

When will those American republican bastards ever learn? First it's "marijuana has 4 times as much as tobacco as a cigarrett" (Camel cigarrette  ) Then a few years ago they do a new campagne against marijuana saying that the money goes to terrorists and show the 9/11 tragedy with the planes crashing into the buildings, trying to be real dramatic.

That makes a lot of sense, instead of growing it at home or getting it from people that can easily grow it at home, marijuana comes from terrorists in asia and is somehow smuggled here when it's nearly impossible to smuggle marijuana across our border anymore.

They will stop at nothing to make anything fun a crime. Not that I smoke it or anything.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 06 2005 at 22:14

Viva la Resistance!

 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 06 2005 at 22:16
Originally posted by AtomHeartMother AtomHeartMother wrote:

Viva la Resistance!

 

        great episode btw.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 06 2005 at 22:50
Originally posted by nousommedusolei nousommedusolei wrote:

Hmm...A slight resemblence. That's why Fripp had part of his face blocked out on that album cover.

Only joking!

You think that's a resemblence? Check this out.

IMG: Napoleon Dynamite

take a look at Roger then at Napolean, the facial features are closely related.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 18 2005 at 15:15
The Swedish progg movement had, as has previously been stated, a lot of left-wing bands. Whether all of these were progressive rock is debatable, but many were, indeed (I've tried to bring it up to discussion here). So, taken the "prog-or-not"-part away for now, I can list a few bands with communistic, socialistic and anarchistic connections:

Knutna Nävar -Band/orchestra for the Swedish Communist Party KFML(r) as I believed they were called then, they change name always. The music is not very good, but the texts are extremely funny because of them being nothing but propaganda, and not even hidden. What about gems like "Arbetarmarseljäsen" (The Worker Marseillaise, a communistic version of the French national anthem) and "Sången Om Stalin" (The Song About Stalin)?

Nationalteatern - originally a theatre group performing in schools, they had both communistic and anarchistic messages in their songs.

Hoola Bandoola Band

Träd, Gräs och Stenar -Mentioned in the archives of the Swedish security police because of anarchist connections.

Arbete & Fritid

Samla Mammas Manna

Gudibrallan

Tältprojektet

Nynningen

Peps Blodsband

and many, many more. To be fair, there weren't one single right-wing progg band as far as I know. To which extent each band leaned to the left and how much it is showed in their texts is in the eye of the beholder, though. I think that the progg movement has been one major influence for the great amount of left-wing punk bands that emerged in the 80s and the 90s in Sweden (and keep on emerging).
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 18 2005 at 15:17
Originally posted by MANTICORE MANTICORE wrote:

well Robert fripp is a red ..!!

Robert Wyatt Is a red.!   Song for Ché From the album "Ruth is Stranger Than Richard" - The DONDEESTAN Album

Salvador Allende

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Wasn't Salvador Allende a bit of a democratic socialist rather than a pure communist?
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 18 2005 at 17:52

Here in Brazil, prog bands of the 70s opposed the right-wing military dictatorship... I wouldn't say they all were communists but certainly they were left-wing.

As a leftist myself it made me more keen to the Brazilian prog-movement: Mutantes, O Terço, Som Imaginário, 14-Bis, Secos & Molhados, etc.

Other musical movements here (in the 60s and 70s) like tropicalismo and clube da esquina were left-oriented too - together with many people from the so-called MPB (more traditional Brazilian music including samba and bossa nova).

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 18 2005 at 22:29

It's funny to read people praising communism from the comfort provided by a democratic Government.

We had a Communist Government, and the first thing they did was to ban Rock because they considered it a Yankee influence against our inheritance.

Our country broke, we passed from being the N° 1 country in fishing Industry to be out of the 100 list, we passed from providing potato to all the world to buying in from communist countries, all our sugar industry collapsed, but the Government friends were richer every day.

Nobody could have dollars, the banks were opened and our money stolen, farms were taken from their owners, The Government controlled all the media placing members of their party as Directors, we almost had a new war with Chile because it was the excuse to buy more weapons to be used in order to control the citizens who asked for freedom.

Viva the Free Cuba????

Have you ever been in Cuba?

I've been twice and that country is anything except free, people is starving but tourists throw their warm mohitos into the sand in the all inclusive resorts. Women fell in prostitution for 20 bucks (Three months salary), Stores don't accept Pesos to buy groceries even when carrying dollars is a crime.

You can find lots of doctors and engineers, but most of them work cleaning toillets in the luxury Hotels for 140 Pesos a month (US$ 7.00) just because they can take the food that the tourists leave in the buffets to their homes.

Ask Armando Valladares who spent 24 years in jail, this poet was captured in 1960 whe he was 23 and set free due to the pressure of all the world in 1984 at the age of 47 years. What was his horrendous crime? He refused to put a sticket that said "If Fidel is a communist, then put me on the list. He's got the right idea."  on his working desk.

There are a lot of members here who come from Polland, Hungary, etc and one of them told us some time ago what really happened in his country.

It's easy to shout Viva el Comunismo in a democratic country, but try to shout Live Capitalism in a communist country.

Iván

BTW: At this moment and after what this thread has turned into, should be moved fromn the Prog Music Lounge.



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Originally posted by ivan_2068 ivan_2068 wrote:

It's funny to read people praising communism from the comfort provided by a democratic Government.

We had a Communist Government, and the first thing they did was to ban Rock because they considered it a Yankee influence against our inheritance.

Our country broke, we passed from being the N° 1 country in fishing Industry to be out of the 100 list, we passed from providing potato to all the world to buying in from communist countries, all our sugar industry collapsed, but the Government friends were richer every day.

Nobody could have dollars, the banks were opened and our money stolen, farms were taken from their owners, The Government controlled all the media placing members of their party as Directors, we almost had a new war with Chile because it was the excuse to buy more weapons to be used in order to control the citizens who asked for freedom.

Viva the Free Cuba????

Have you ever been in Cuba?

I've been twice and that country is anything except free, people is starving but tourists throw their warm mohitos into the sand in the all inclusive resorts. Women fell in prostitution for 20 bucks (Three months salary), Stores don't accept Pesos to buy groceries even when carrying dollars is a crime.

You can find lots of doctors and engineers, but most of them work cleaning toillets in the luxury Hotels for 140 Pesos a month (US$ 7.00) just because they can take the food that the tourists leave in the buffets to their homes.

Ask Armando Valladares who spent 24 years in jail, this poet was captured in 1960 whe he was 23 and set free due to the pressure of all the world in 1984 at the age of 47 years. What was his horrendous crime? He refused to put a sticket that said "If Fidel is a communist, then put me on the list. He's got the right idea."  on his working desk.

There are a lot of members here who come from Polland, Hungary, etc and one of them told us some time ago what really happened in his country.

It's easy to shout Viva el Comunismo in a democratic country, but try to shout Live Capitalism in a communist country.

Iván

BTW: At this moment and after what this thread has turned into, should be moved fromn the Prog Music Lounge.

Absolutely agreed !
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 19 2005 at 03:44
Originally posted by Norbert Norbert wrote:

Originally posted by ivan_2068 ivan_2068 wrote:

It's funny to read people praising communism from the comfort provided by a democratic Government.

We had a Communist Government, and the first thing they did was to ban Rock because they considered it a Yankee influence against our inheritance.

Our country broke, we passed from being the N° 1 country in fishing Industry to be out of the 100 list, we passed from providing potato to all the world to buying in from communist countries, all our sugar industry collapsed, but the Government friends were richer every day.

Nobody could have dollars, the banks were opened and our money stolen, farms were taken from their owners, The Government controlled all the media placing members of their party as Directors, we almost had a new war with Chile because it was the excuse to buy more weapons to be used in order to control the citizens who asked for freedom.

Viva the Free Cuba????

Have you ever been in Cuba?

I've been twice and that country is anything except free, people is starving but tourists throw their warm mohitos into the sand in the all inclusive resorts. Women fell in prostitution for 20 bucks (Three months salary), Stores don't accept Pesos to buy groceries even when carrying dollars is a crime.

You can find lots of doctors and engineers, but most of them work cleaning toillets in the luxury Hotels for 140 Pesos a month (US$ 7.00) just because they can take the food that the tourists leave in the buffets to their homes.

Ask Armando Valladares who spent 24 years in jail, this poet was captured in 1960 whe he was 23 and set free due to the pressure of all the world in 1984 at the age of 47 years. What was his horrendous crime? He refused to put a sticket that said "If Fidel is a communist, then put me on the list. He's got the right idea."  on his working desk.

There are a lot of members here who come from Polland, Hungary, etc and one of them told us some time ago what really happened in his country.

It's easy to shout Viva el Comunismo in a democratic country, but try to shout Live Capitalism in a communist country.

Iván

BTW: At this moment and after what this thread has turned into, should be moved fromn the Prog Music Lounge.

Absolutely agreed !


Heh heh life in the old dog yet ...

Yes, Allende was a democratically elected Socialist (not Communist ... although he was elected with Communist support and he had Communists in his government) President of Chile who was elected in 1970 and murdered on Sept 11, 1973 ...

Admin speaking: I will move this thread as Ivan suggests ... hmm to non-music Prog Lounge ...
 where communism will get less exposure and thus poison the minds of less people.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 19 2005 at 07:09

[QUOTE=abyssyinfinity]Area, Stormy Six & Venegoni & Co., obviously!
Banco del Mutuo Soccorso in the 70's were near the Italian Socialist Party, they had an album called Garofano Rosso (Red Carnation)...[/QUOTE]

Don't know why the quote box did not appear????

Area's version of Internazionale (worker's anthem) appears on Areazione (the live LP) and the new box set, Revolution.

As for Garafano Rosso, it was a soundtrack to a film by Luigi Faccini. It is set in Sicily in the 1920's, and it follows the activities of a love-struck young man who is slightly involved with the local fascist party. Fascists, socialists and communists were all wrestling for control of that area at that time. I may be wrong, but I think the carnation was used by the fascists...???



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