All Christians are Homophobes

James Lee wrote: Sean Trane wrote: JAMES, I read you well that this camp homosexuality is the answer to empathy towards them , but provoking the conservateurs is not intelligent. Remember that the vast majority is still hetero, conservateur and relatively tolerant so that those laws protecting the gays were made. But provocation can take away the tolerance of the vast majority. Laws are made and they can be undone. I would say that gays should thank the majority for better conditions to live their chosen lifestyles other than by stupid provocation, assertive gayness and avoid such parade as Gay Pride. The best way to live happy is to be yourself and not camp a role (whichever it might be). In french:" Pour Vivre Heureux, Vivons Caché" be happy , be hidden! While we're at it, let's keep those blacks from acting so over-the-top black all the time too...

Hmm,but surely that is a cliche too.I mean for a 50 year old black man,the boyz in the hood persona must seem as alien and uncomfortable a sterotype to him as camp gayness does to Gdub.

Sean Trane wrote: JAMES, I read you well that this camp homosexuality is the answer to empathy towards them , but provoking the conservateurs is not intelligent. Remember that the vast majority is still hetero, conservateur and relatively tolerant so that those laws protecting the gays were made. But provocation can take away the tolerance of the vast majority. Laws are made and they can be undone. I would say that gays should thank the majority for better conditions to live their chosen lifestyles other than by stupid provocation, assertive gayness and avoid such parade as Gay Pride. The best way to live happy is to be yourself and not camp a role (whichever it might be). In french:" Pour Vivre Heureux, Vivons Caché" be happy , be hidden!

While we're at it, let's keep those blacks from acting so over-the-top black all the time too...

hopelevre wrote: anyone who still wants to deny the developed or learned phenomena of homosexuality: google the acronym "nambla"....this is the "north american man/boy love association"...you can read all about how these gay men need to further their cause and press toward the right to continue their love affairs with 12 and 13 year old boys....read testimonials from these boys about their torrid affairs and how they "were the best thing that had happened in their lives".....if gayness was genetic organizations like this one wouldnt exist because the gay men involved would know it was futile to try to convert this young children....organizations like this are why we are intolerant and we should be...this is sick and thsoe who turn the other cheek to that kind of behaviour might as well have gun to their own child's head.....i dotn have a problem with gayness....i have a problem with the parade of it down mainstreet while my kids are watching on tv or the nambla organization targetign soem of our kids right now....they even have tips on this site to get around police entrapment and the like, so they can be sure not to get in trouble while deflowering children.....if gays wanted us to be tolerant they wouldnt target our children and shove back in our face the recent tolerance we have granted

All this rambling and fractured argument.

Hopelevre-have you got something you wish to announce to the forum?

Dont be scared-we are very understanding on here.......

Could we possibly have our first coming-out-of-the-closet event??

hopelevre wrote: anyone who still wants to deny the developed or learned phenomena of homosexuality: google the acronym "nambla"....this is the "north american man/boy love association"...you can read all about how these gay men need to further their cause and press toward the right to continue their love affairs with 12 and 13 year old boys....read testimonials from these boys about their torrid affairs and how they "were the best thing that had happened in their lives".....if gayness was genetic organizations like this one wouldnt exist because the gay men involved would know it was futile to try to convert this young children....organizations like this are why we are intolerant and we should be...this is sick and thsoe who turn the other cheek to that kind of behaviour might as well have gun to their own child's head.....i dotn have a problem with gayness....i have a problem with the parade of it down mainstreet while my kids are watching on tv or the nambla organization targetign soem of our kids right now....they even have tips on this site to get around police entrapment and the like, so they can be sure not to get in trouble while deflowering children.....if gays wanted us to be tolerant they wouldnt target our children and shove back in our face the recent tolerance we have granted

Personally I have no idea if my gayness is something learned or genetic. Quite frankly, I REALLY don't care. As far as Nambla goes...they are despicable...and the fact that they are allowed to march in gay parades is the very reason I have never attended one of those "This gives me a chance to behave excessively lewd" fests.

hopelevre wrote: threefates- throughout this thread you continue the intransigent and rather obtuse behaviour (for yu brits!)of responding to something someone wrote but only in one naarrow aspect, whilst there are several other points made by that person you choose to simply ignore, i gave four examples, you say one isnt true that doesnt disprove my theory and many a homo will tell you that there is a strong root of their sexuality in self-punishment ...that is those who are mature enough to struggle with this problem, not the little teenybopping bandwagon jumpers who now (in the states anyway) think being gay is the hip new cool thing to do

Again I'll tell you... be gay or raise a gay child.. and then come back and tell me what you know. 

DallasBryan wrote: was this gay gene more active in the British Isles in the 70's? Major rock stars from England were numerous in their declarations. David Bowie, Elton John, Freddie Mercury and so on. Could this gay gene been activited by something in their diet? Bitters? Eels? Toad in the Hole?

DB:

threefates wrote: Sean Trane wrote: goose wrote: I agree entirely, I find camp homosexuality incredibly irritating - but then, I find stereotypes and clichés of virtually any type irritating. edit: hang on, "[gays] don't like women" is a bit of a sweeping statement, isn't it? do you have any evidence for this? Yes, it is a bit of a sweeping statement. But most gays do not love women or else they would not be gay. They might treat women as friends but still have some sort of empathy at them by acting so-called feminine. Their favorite insult at each other when they act up camp is to call themselves BITCHES! How is that for not liking them! Well , I think that a lot of male homosexuality is the result of over-protective motherhood, and the resulting dislike of woman first as a reaction to the mother, than as to follow the mother's advice that girls are not good enough for him (the real thing here would be that some wench would draw her little man away from Mommy) and then out of  reaction to the mother's reactions he will eventually turn completely against women out of confusion! I have no scientific evidence of this but talking to the gays couples I know , this came very clear in the conversation. Just my poor and probably not sufficient experience to express a more in depth analysis! You've got to be kidding.  I've raised practically 5 gay men here since grammer school and of course one since birth.  None of them, including my son, has a controlling mother.  Matter of fact, 3 of them barely have mothers at all.  And you can ask anyone including my son, a gay man's mother is generally his best friend.... Your sexual attraction comes from within.. not from some spite or confusion to a situation.  If that were true, I'd of given up men a long time ago and be a lovely lesbian by this time...

Hi 3Fates,

As I said, I donot have scientific evidence and my knowledge is limited to what i discussed! I never said that all gay men had over-protective mothers and least of all would I suggest that you would be one!

Actually , I am a lesbian!

Female homosexuality comes around in a very different manner, I would think! A lot of them would be at being deceived by men (there are so many violent assholes and weirdos out there) that they became disgusted by them males.

In both cases , I have a hard time to believe you are born homosexual (except for hermaphrodite and other malformations when genes got screwed up!) as I am a hetero and very glad to be, so this is probably beyond my scope of imagination.

In artistic circles (plastic arts), I have witnessed some people pretend to be gay and put on an act just to gain the respect and gain some form of recognition and especially sell art to the relatively rich gay community (at least in western Europe they are fairly wealthy on average well on top of the average of heteros). I thought that was sick , but last I know , he was selling lots!

Bonobo's are very sexually active, also Koalas do it. Wallabies do it. Even penguins and dolphins in the sea do it. They all engage in homosexual activity.

Dr Geoff MacFarlane, a lecturer in biological sciences at the University of Newcastle, said it had been argued that sexual behaviour between members of the same sex was against the laws of nature, and unusual or deviant in wild animals. But recent scientific evidence "forcefully demolishes these assumptions ".

Dr MacFarlane, who will give a public lecture on the topic tomorrow in Sydney, said more than 450 species worldwide had been identified as exhibiting some homosexual behaviour. This included 25 mammal and 45 bird species from Australia, New Zealand and Antarctica.

The most frequent occurrence was in bonobos, or pygmy chimpanzees. About 50 per cent of their sexual encounters were between the same sex, he wrote in an article with a colleague, Dr Kevin Markwell, published in the journal Nature Australia.

Dr MacFarlane said female-female mounting had been observed in koalas, sometimes accompanied by distinct sexual behaviour such as holding the nape of the neck in the jaws and performing pelvic thrusts.

As well, "wild bottlenose dolphins can form long-lasting male-male pair bonds", he said.

And male Adelie penguins have also been seen mounting each other, taking turns to reverse their positions.

Dr MacFarlane said that in the past, instances of homosexual behaviour in animals may have been "ignored, dismissed or misinterpreted by scientists due to a moral, religious or biological bias". There had also been a tendency to explain them away as just play, or practice for later heterosexual encounters.

He said the homosexual activity, which few animals engaged in exclusively, could be linked to a genetic tendency for heightened sexual activity, giving the animals a reproductive advantage, or it could have social benefits such as reducing tension, aggression , and promoting alliances.

copy-paste.

Maybe not enough for evidence, but I can produce more