All Christians are Homophobes

hopelevre wrote: yet another response completely devoid of reasoning and brimming with emotion....youve managed to counter your latent feelings of failure as a mother by becoming the enabler whom allows your son and his friends to play "butt-pirates" in your home

I gather you have a problem with your mother...

Where do you see my failure as a mother.. and the fact that you would make a remark like that shows me that the only mother I see being a failure must be yours...

You should grow up.  This is the world.. reality abounds around you and you're still stuck in your little rabbit hole with no vision or compassion.  You must lead a very sad life!

tuxon:

You are incorrect on one point: animals do not have gay sex.  There are some animals -including certain birds and mammals - that exhibit "homosexual" behaviors, including pairing with a member of the same sex, sometimes for life.  However, there is no study or article I have ever read (and I have read the same ones you have) that suggests that these animals are actually engaging in "gay sex."

Peace.

Bonobo's are very sexually active, also Koalas do it. Wallabies do it. Even penguins and dolphins in the sea do it. They all engage in homosexual activity.

Dr Geoff MacFarlane, a lecturer in biological sciences at the University of Newcastle, said it had been argued that sexual behaviour between members of the same sex was against the laws of nature, and unusual or deviant in wild animals. But recent scientific evidence "forcefully demolishes these assumptions ".

Dr MacFarlane, who will give a public lecture on the topic tomorrow in Sydney, said more than 450 species worldwide had been identified as exhibiting some homosexual behaviour. This included 25 mammal and 45 bird species from Australia, New Zealand and Antarctica.

The most frequent occurrence was in bonobos, or pygmy chimpanzees. About 50 per cent of their sexual encounters were between the same sex, he wrote in an article with a colleague, Dr Kevin Markwell, published in the journal Nature Australia.

Dr MacFarlane said female-female mounting had been observed in koalas, sometimes accompanied by distinct sexual behaviour such as holding the nape of the neck in the jaws and performing pelvic thrusts.

As well, "wild bottlenose dolphins can form long-lasting male-male pair bonds", he said.

And male Adelie penguins have also been seen mounting each other, taking turns to reverse their positions.

Dr MacFarlane said that in the past, instances of homosexual behaviour in animals may have been "ignored, dismissed or misinterpreted by scientists due to a moral, religious or biological bias". There had also been a tendency to explain them away as just play, or practice for later heterosexual encounters.

He said the homosexual activity, which few animals engaged in exclusively, could be linked to a genetic tendency for heightened sexual activity, giving the animals a reproductive advantage, or it could have social benefits such as reducing tension, aggression , and promoting alliances.

copy-paste.

Maybe not enough for evidence, but I can produce more

threefates wrote: Sean Trane wrote: goose wrote: I agree entirely, I find camp homosexuality incredibly irritating - but then, I find stereotypes and clichés of virtually any type irritating. edit: hang on, "[gays] don't like women" is a bit of a sweeping statement, isn't it? do you have any evidence for this? Yes, it is a bit of a sweeping statement. But most gays do not love women or else they would not be gay. They might treat women as friends but still have some sort of empathy at them by acting so-called feminine. Their favorite insult at each other when they act up camp is to call themselves BITCHES! How is that for not liking them! Well , I think that a lot of male homosexuality is the result of over-protective motherhood, and the resulting dislike of woman first as a reaction to the mother, than as to follow the mother's advice that girls are not good enough for him (the real thing here would be that some wench would draw her little man away from Mommy) and then out of  reaction to the mother's reactions he will eventually turn completely against women out of confusion! I have no scientific evidence of this but talking to the gays couples I know , this came very clear in the conversation. Just my poor and probably not sufficient experience to express a more in depth analysis! You've got to be kidding.  I've raised practically 5 gay men here since grammer school and of course one since birth.  None of them, including my son, has a controlling mother.  Matter of fact, 3 of them barely have mothers at all.  And you can ask anyone including my son, a gay man's mother is generally his best friend.... Your sexual attraction comes from within.. not from some spite or confusion to a situation.  If that were true, I'd of given up men a long time ago and be a lovely lesbian by this time...

Hi 3Fates,

As I said, I donot have scientific evidence and my knowledge is limited to what i discussed! I never said that all gay men had over-protective mothers and least of all would I suggest that you would be one!

Actually , I am a lesbian!

Female homosexuality comes around in a very different manner, I would think! A lot of them would be at being deceived by men (there are so many violent assholes and weirdos out there) that they became disgusted by them males.

In both cases , I have a hard time to believe you are born homosexual (except for hermaphrodite and other malformations when genes got screwed up!) as I am a hetero and very glad to be, so this is probably beyond my scope of imagination.

In artistic circles (plastic arts), I have witnessed some people pretend to be gay and put on an act just to gain the respect and gain some form of recognition and especially sell art to the relatively rich gay community (at least in western Europe they are fairly wealthy on average well on top of the average of heteros). I thought that was sick , but last I know , he was selling lots!

DallasBryan wrote: was this gay gene more active in the British Isles in the 70's? Major rock stars from England were numerous in their declarations. David Bowie, Elton John, Freddie Mercury and so on. Could this gay gene been activited by something in their diet? Bitters? Eels? Toad in the Hole?

DB:

hopelevre wrote: threefates- throughout this thread you continue the intransigent and rather obtuse behaviour (for yu brits!)of responding to something someone wrote but only in one naarrow aspect, whilst there are several other points made by that person you choose to simply ignore, i gave four examples, you say one isnt true that doesnt disprove my theory and many a homo will tell you that there is a strong root of their sexuality in self-punishment ...that is those who are mature enough to struggle with this problem, not the little teenybopping bandwagon jumpers who now (in the states anyway) think being gay is the hip new cool thing to do

Again I'll tell you... be gay or raise a gay child.. and then come back and tell me what you know.