All Christians are Homophobes

About Homophobes...not about whether there is a gay gene or not

don't sweat it Maani...I find it all amusing and i am glad I could once again unintentionally spur on an intellectual debate...

hopelevre wrote: did you not notice that i chose to say it was POSSIBLE to be environmental and i even left it open that it could be POSSIBLY genetic as well..... whats your problem ...jsut need someone to attack for an arbitrary reason?

I'm honestly not trying to attack you - in an argument, rather than constructing arguments to fit my point of view I tend to take sniper shots at inconsistencies/false assumptions in anybody's comments, and then develop upon that point that to air my views. Yours just had the bad luck of being seen first!

 (don't worry - that's a friendly hug, not a gay one!)

Well despite of the call to end this thread, some questions i still have

Is Gay'ness regarded as an illness, a fault in the genetic fabric of men, or because of external factores, or even a mental illness.

I don't like the implications of either of those options.

If it's due to genetic abberation of the norm, than what does that mean, can it be cured by genetic alteration, and would we want to change it.

If it's due to external factors (upbringing, events from the past) does that mean there's someone to blame for.

Personally I think that Homosexuality is a normal biological mechanism. Homosexuality is not exlusive to men, animals have homosexual sex aswell.

Homosexuality has always been a part of life, due to current liberal progressive movements today homosexuality is more accepted now than it was 100 years ago.
So more people are open about their sexuality, and all those gay-men and women have come out of the cupboard, and started 'fighting' for their rights as normal citicens.

Man fears what he doesn't know, and loathes what he doesn't understand.

It's not entirely how I think, and I don't like argumentation, so this should suffice

Fragile wrote: Staying out of this it is legal but not compulsory.

As Bobe Hope once said: "I'm leavin the country before they make it compulsory.."

gdub411 wrote: This discussion has remained quite civil compared to some of the flame that used to be thrown around here(Ah...the good ol' days!.)

^ I have no idea what you're talking about.

JAMES,

I read you well that this camp homosexuality is the answer to empathy towards them , but provoking the conservateurs is not intelligent. Remember that the vast majority is still hetero, conservateur and relatively tolerant so that those laws protecting the gays were made.

But provocation can take away the tolerance of the vast majority. Laws are made and they can be undone. I would say that gays should thank the majority for better conditions to live their chosen lifestyles other than by stupid provocation, assertive gayness and avoid such parade as Gay Pride.

The best way to live happy is to be yourself and not camp a role (whichever it might be). In french:" Pour Vivre Heureux, Vivons Caché" be happy , be hidden!

Reed,

Your comments on buggery/sodomy are unsettling because women can like it too. It apparently does procure pleasure. It is a long standing practice since the Gommohrra days (the old Babylonian city if I remember well) and if it was not pleasant, it would never be done!

gdub411 wrote: Isn't it strange how I can start a thread about one thing and it always turns into a religeous debate.

See my first remark in my first post at the top of page 3, !

Funny how people encounter phenomenum such as this one  and refer to the Scriptures to see how to react! As if they were incapable of acting of their own and make up their minds on their own. they must be guided by this fantasy being that some say are good and other fearsome.

Hope my remarks did not stir up turmoil into you! I can be a little too direct, at times but I like calling a cat , a cat.

Sean Trane wrote: goose wrote: I agree entirely, I find camp homosexuality incredibly irritating - but then, I find stereotypes and clichés of virtually any type irritating. edit: hang on, "[gays] don't like women" is a bit of a sweeping statement, isn't it? do you have any evidence for this? Yes, it is a bit of a sweeping statement. But most gays do not love women or else they would not be gay. They might treat women as friends but still have some sort of empathy at them by acting so-called feminine. Their favorite insult at each other when they act up camp is to call themselves BITCHES! How is that for not liking them! Well , I think that a lot of male homosexuality is the result of over-protective motherhood, and the resulting dislike of woman first as a reaction to the mother, than as to follow the mother's advice that girls are not good enough for him (the real thing here would be that some wench would draw her little man away from Mommy) and then out of  reaction to the mother's reactions he will eventually turn completely against women out of confusion! I have no scientific evidence of this but talking to the gays couples I know , this came very clear in the conversation. Just my poor and probably not sufficient experience to express a more in depth analysis!

You've got to be kidding.  I've raised practically 5 gay men here since grammer school and of course one since birth.  None of them, including my son, has a controlling mother.  Matter of fact, 3 of them barely have mothers at all.  And you can ask anyone including my son, a gay man's mother is generally his best friend....

Your sexual attraction comes from within.. not from some spite or confusion to a situation.  If that were true, I'd of given up men a long time ago and be a lovely lesbian by this time...