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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 24 2005 at 15:57
Ahh come on... thats probably Maani's favorite position!!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 24 2005 at 15:58
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 24 2005 at 15:59
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 24 2005 at 16:03

Originally posted by threefates threefates wrote:

Ahh come on... thats probably Maani's favorite position!!

LOL

go girl !




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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 24 2005 at 16:05
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 24 2005 at 16:39
when it comes to homosexuality for me! I am a
basketball center, I just block that shot!

We all have faults, homosexuality is an interesting
subject, in that I dont think anyone is born anything
but hetrosexual. For whatever reason someone
chooses to cross that line, you are into spiritual
territory now. If you open the door(sexual act) then
you are allowing spiritual control of a portion of your
life or character.
Only healing and spiritual intravention are able to
close that door. Many so called ministers are not
equipped for this service as it requires supernatural
power(maybe laying on of hands by someone truly
baptised in the Holy Spirit) not a seminar scholar of
the word, but most egos cant accept this.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 24 2005 at 17:05

Originally posted by DallasBryan DallasBryan wrote:

when it comes to homosexuality for me! I am a
basketball center, I just block that shot!

We all have faults, homosexuality is an interesting
subject, in that I dont think anyone is born anything
but hetrosexual. For whatever reason someone
chooses to cross that line, you are into spiritual
territory now. If you open the door(sexual act) then
you are allowing spiritual control of a portion of your
life or character.
Only healing and spiritual intravention are able to
close that door. Many so called ministers are not
equipped for this service as it requires supernatural
power(maybe laying on of hands by someone truly
baptised in the Holy Spirit) not a seminar scholar of
the word, but most egos cant accept this.

Separated at birth????




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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 24 2005 at 17:48

Well DB... since they found the gene in the DNA strand that denotes homosexuality about 3 years ago, I guess you're a little wrong about that...

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 24 2005 at 18:04

Now how this correlates with the Gay Marriage thread. Maani's point of view on homosexuality shows why it was so easy to defend Crimson Princes original...Queers and Faggots...I hate them...how about you? thread. While I will venture to guess Maani doesn't hate gays, he certainly doesn't agree with the lifestyle  whatsoever.

To each their own. I just wanted him to express his point of view on this for quite some time rather than ignoring the issue or dodging it whenever it came up.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 24 2005 at 18:12
Originally posted by threefates threefates wrote:

Well DB... since they found the gene in the DNA strand that denotes homosexuality about 3 years ago, I guess you're a little wrong about that...



Source?

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http://www.fathersforlife.org/gay_gene.htm
http://www.bol.ucla.edu/~kmayeda/HC92/limitations.html
http://www.bio.davidson.edu/courses/genomics/2002/Pierce/g aygene.htm

Just three articles found with Google. And I haven't found any arrticles stating the opposite.

ADD: Ahh, a nice official one:

http://www.gcc.edu/news/faculty/editorials/throck_02_09_05 _newsalert_gaygenestudy_print.htm

And lastly, a nice logical argument found somewhere that proves it is not genetic:
'if homosexuality is genetic then why does it seem to be exploding across the population when its very existence should remove it from the genetic landscape. Homosexuals do not seek to mate with the other sex of the species and therefore do not produce offspring that can pass on this homosexual gene. And if no one with the gene produces offspring, the gene should dissipate until it is only a rare occurrence. But recent evidence suggests that there are more and more homosexuals in the country and in the world. This seems to me to be overwhelming evidence that folks are actually choosing homosexuality. The alternative would be that we are experiencing a genetic mutation of global proportions that is causing this homosexual gene to appear out of the blue.'


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 24 2005 at 18:28
not to mention the cases where homosexuals admit that it is a result of their childhood experiences somehow
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 24 2005 at 20:56

My in-a-nutshell stance on homosexuals:

I will not approve but I will accept.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 24 2005 at 22:43
Originally posted by gdub411 gdub411 wrote:

as well as self righteous, narrow minded and bigoted....


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flame_bait


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 24 2005 at 22:58
Originally posted by utah_man utah_man wrote:

Originally posted by gdub411 gdub411 wrote:

as well as self righteous, narrow minded and bigoted....


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flame_bait


Not my intention at all...I had a purpose..I achieved it....Read the thread before accusing me of being a troll

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 25 2005 at 00:00
Originally posted by gdub411 gdub411 wrote:

Originally posted by utah_man utah_man wrote:

Originally posted by gdub411 gdub411 wrote:

as well as self righteous, narrow minded and bigoted....


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flame_bait


Not my intention at all...I had a purpose..I achieved it....Read the thread before accusing me of being a troll

A nice troll

It was a trollish action, to get under someones chin and provoke a reaction, or take an extremus stand point and see what happens.

I am a christian (atheistic type) and i am not homophobic, au contraire I'm not afraid of some whoossies

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 25 2005 at 00:10
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 25 2005 at 00:23

Originally posted by JrKASperov JrKASperov wrote:


And lastly, a nice logical argument found somewhere that proves it is not genetic:
'if homosexuality is genetic then why does it seem to be exploding across the population when its very existence should remove it from the genetic landscape.

I'm not even sure what you mean there.  Why should its very existence remove it.  In this world, nature generally still rules out unless its medically dangerous not to.  And homosexuality is not exploding across the population any more now that it always has been.  Its just less dangerous to admit to it these days.  Where do you people get this crap! 

 Homosexuals do not seek to mate with the other sex of the species and therefore do not produce offspring that can pass on this homosexual gene. And if no one with the gene produces offspring, the gene should dissipate until it is only a rare occurrence.

Huh?? Are you kidding??  Anyone can carry a homosexual gene.. and you don't have to be homosexual to carry one.  Children with down syndrome come by that genetically.. and most times neither parent has down syndrome...  Also plenty of homosexual men are having children.. 

But recent evidence suggests that there are more and more homosexuals in the country and in the world. This seems to me to be overwhelming evidence that folks are actually choosing homosexuality. The alternative would be that we are experiencing a genetic mutation of global proportions that is causing this homosexual gene to appear out of the blue.'

As the mother of a gay child, I can certainly tell you that he did not choose it and it was not from some earlier childhood trauma.  It is just him.  Because he came from an accepting household.. in a gay friendly town, he confronted this earlier than most and we dealt with it together when he first entered his teens. 

So is it hard for you people to accept this because it means that God made them this way... or because it means you can't blame them for being this way??

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 25 2005 at 01:16

That's a strange argument that I've heard once or twice now: that homosexuality is wrong because if everyone did it, the species would become extinct...by extension, abstinence is equally wrong (all those immoral Catholic priests who chose their calling, for instance). Dating someone unable to have children is obviously immoral, as is leaving an abusive (but fertile) relationship...and of course one can immediately discard oral sex, anal sex, masturbation...not to mention the venal sin of coitus interruptus; I believe my parents and college roommate are going to hell because they occasionally interrupted my goal of sustaining human life on the planet!

For reason's sake, folks...try a little harder than that. Yeah, human beings reproduce sexually- we all know that. But don't pretend you have sex simply because it's serving mankind's greater purpose.

But it's all moot anyway, because nobody enters the discussion open to reason, and nobody ever changes their mind on the subject due solely to logic. If it were a logical matter, nobody would be homosexual- because it's a pretty hard life, despite how "permissive" or "tolerant" some believe society has become. There's only two or three people on the forums who can directly attest to that; the rest of us are just approaching the subject secondhand- at best.



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 25 2005 at 01:32
Ive never been able to see what the big deal is. I remember when the first person in my grade came out of the closet in highschool, he was tormented because of other peoples bigoted and misinformed views. I grew up in a small town which holds the local annual womens fest (which a friend of mine informed me a while ago is actually called the "Lez-Fest" in the gay community ) and a very large portion of the population is homosexual. I dont know why people would dissaprove of the gay lifestyle. They make more money per capita then we do (us trashy heterosexuals), and other than that (and sexual preference) are the same as all of us heteros. I think if we are to look at anyone to destroy any of the preconceptions, look at gdub, hes a prog rocking, catholic, republican, homosexual. What else do you people want?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 25 2005 at 02:04
Originally posted by threefates threefates wrote:



http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&a mp;a mp;db=PubMed&list_uids=8332896&dopt=Abstract



Look at the date and compare with my articles: yours is from Science.
1993 Jul 16;261(5119):321-7.

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I'm not even sure what you mean there.  Why should its very existence remove it.  In this world, nature generally still rules out unless its medically dangerous not to.  And homosexuality is not exploding across the population any more now that it always has been.  Its just less dangerous to admit to it these days.  Where do you people get this crap! 


It's existence should remove itself because gay couples don't make kids. Even if we take into account the possibility that more people are coming out for it and may have been making children because of bisexuality or being respressed, it still means that logically, the number of gay people should be in decline. Especially when this gene is resessive, as stated in the argument below.

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Huh?? Are you kidding??  Anyone can carry a homosexual gene.. and you don't have to be homosexual to carry one.  Children with down syndrome come by that genetically.. and most times neither parent has down syndrome...  Also plenty of homosexual men are having children.. 

 You have two types of genes, dominant ones and resessive ones. A gene is either one or the other. If it is dominant, people with the gene always are gay(this is certainly not the case, else there would only be gay parents and children, while we find not gay parents and children as well). If it is resessive, one who carries it does not act gay. The only way to come around this is having two gay genes, which drastically reduces the chance of gayness. Something which certainly does not agree with the rather large amount of gay people in this world. They should be about the same number as Down syndrome people while they are certainly more.

Quote As the mother of a gay child, I can certainly tell you that he did not choose it and it was not from some earlier childhood trauma.  It is just him.  Because he came from an accepting household.. in a gay friendly town, he confronted this earlier than most and we dealt with it together when he first entered his teens.
So is it hard for you people to accept this because it means that God made them this way... or because it means you can't blame them for being this way??

As the mother of a gay child, you have no special authority to call him 'just that way' whatsoever. Like Maani pointed out and the posted articles(especially compared to your OLD article), it's a choice.

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