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Direct Link To This Post Topic: Was Queen a sellout?
    Posted: September 01 2014 at 16:19
They were always staying slightly prog but I like their pop songs very much.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 01 2014 at 12:27
Queen seemed to evolve they way they would have anyway. Pop-rock bands like hit singles, so after Killer Queen, that's what they naturally chased. It's not much more complex than that.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 01 2014 at 10:18
Probably, but that doesn't meant they stopped making good music. "Under Pressure", "I Want To Break Free" "Radio Ga Ga", "Hammer To Fall", "One Vision", "Who Wants To Live Forever", "Innuendo", "I'm Going Slightly Mad" and "The Show Must Go On" are pretty good in my book. Of course, these are just the singles - I still needs to get their 1980 - 1991 albums - but, to me, it shows that Queen didn't lose it completely.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 01 2014 at 10:11
Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

Indeed Queen were never a 'prog band' and so could not technically sell out anyway. They had a remarkable career and achieved a great deal within the confines of rock and pop music. I respect them for what they were.
 
I agree Richard.....good observation and comment.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 01 2014 at 10:08
One thing the proggofiles at PA, can’t be accused for, is leaving room for the artist to keep his artistic freedom of expression.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 01 2014 at 10:05
I hate the term "selling out". It implies elitism. Like the band belongs only to a select group of people, and no-one else. And if more people grow to appreciate the band's music, the first group of fans become horribly defensive, like they're "bigger fans" of them than the new ones. "Oh, *I* liked them waaaaay before you".

People like that seriously need to lighten up. Music belongs to all of us.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 01 2014 at 09:52
Indeed Queen were never a 'prog band' and so could not technically sell out anyway. They had a remarkable career and achieved a great deal within the confines of rock and pop music. I respect them for what they were.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 01 2014 at 00:52
Glam rock band.
Most bands of the early 70s were prog related in some way. Queen were about 10% prog and the rest glam plop rock
All I like is prog related bands beginning late 60's/early 70's. Their music from 1968 - 83 has the composition and sound which will never be beaten. Perfect blend of jazz, classical, folk and rock.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 31 2014 at 23:20
For all we know, Mercury's health was beginning to deteriorate, which is why the musical quality began to slip.  

Whatever, I don't blame any bands (Yes, Genesis, Queen etc.) from "selling out" and cashing in on their fame.  These guys struggle and starve for many years, when pay-day comes around, who can blame them? 

They all left massive catalogs of quality music, and even the popular stuff had its moments if you listen.  
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 31 2014 at 01:44
Trying to 'keep in touch' with then-modern music tendencies is always a kind of a sellout in some sense, so Queen were a sellout in 1977 when they left their prog influences and started to include punk and new wave sounds in their style.

But I don't care much about that since their stylistic updgrade (or downgrade) was quire successful, and although it's quite evident that none of their 80's albums were as good as Queen II or Sheer Heart Attack, even on their lowermost points like The Game they kept on as good songwriters who still could put nice catchy tunes. So they were looking much better in comparison with many 70's heavy rockers like Uriah Heep or Rainbow/Deep Purple, whose '80s' albums were not just poppy, but also quite boring and uninspired. Even Black Sabbath and Bowie, who entered the 80s with simply outstanding LPs couldn't maintain the same quality throughout the whole decade. So if Queen still could come up with songs like 'Princes of the Universe', 'Who Wants to Live Forever'. 'Hammer to Fall' or 'Save Me', does it matter whether it was a sellout or not?

Btw it still was great that in late 80's-early 90's they started to return to their prog roots with anthems like 'Was It All Worth It' and 'Innuendo', it's a shame this period couldn't last longer for them Unhappy


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 30 2014 at 16:44
Queen sold out more or less about the time Freddy Mercury died and they replaced him with that strange dude with short hair and that moustache.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 30 2014 at 11:06
The first two records are in my personal top ten.  They were my favorite band in the 70s.  After hearing "Another One Bites the Dust," I never bought another record from them for almost thirty years.  I can appreciate much of their later material now, but I still can't handle "AOBtD."  
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 30 2014 at 09:41
Originally posted by The T The T wrote:

Yes, they sold out. Because they should have been loyal to their yet-unborn fans who would protest later on the internet instead of trying to have a more comfortable living. 




Ya, its impossible to please everyone, and actually they have changed a lot from album to album right from the beginning. And they continued to do so throughout their career, sometimes to the better sometimes to the worse, a matter of taste.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 30 2014 at 09:02
Queen used to be a good Prog band back when they weren't a money-seeking band, too bad their sound in the 80s isn't quite as good as it was back on the very first period of their career
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 30 2014 at 08:47
Originally posted by SteveG SteveG wrote:

I think they just ran out of ideas, but you never know. Ask David Bowie.
Queen were simply.....under pressure.
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 30 2014 at 06:40
Originally posted by Aussie-Byrd-Brother Aussie-Byrd-Brother wrote:

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I remember some quote from Freddie who described their music as `disposable', in that, it comes on the radio, you listen to it, enjoy it, then discard it and move on after it's finished. I can definitely see that in regards to the direction they eventually moved in, but writing pretty much perfect pop/rock music with cool playing and incredible vocals/melodies is nothing to look down on!

Still those early albums are the jewels though!
 
From my point of view, by just putting their music on those terms he was being even more subjective than their listeners.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 30 2014 at 06:38
Originally posted by Gerinski Gerinski wrote:

Possibly it also influenced that Freddy got seduced by the role of superstar frontman live and was not interested in playing the piano live anymore, and they never wanted to take a full-time keyboardist, so their format live was limited to a trio guitar / bass / drums (although they had support by a keyboardist and pre-recorded stuff occasionally), so they could not make very complex music which they could not play live.
 
I also realize that Queen often seemed to be a band kind of conceived to play live, but that trio you mentioned was also their basic studio format from the very begining, and this doesn't convince me as a reason for not making complex music which they could not play live.
 
I can name you a few examples of this contradiction, just the ones I know, but I think there might be many other examples:
 
Doing All Right (Queen) - pretty much like a "all in one" song (all the influences in just one little music);
 
My Fairy King (Queen) - Despite the fact that the keyboards never played a protagonist role, here there is a good keyboard work, especially in the final instrumental part with a nice closing;
 
Father to Son (Queen II) - Their heavy pop style still clearly present here (and much more than in the 80's), especially in the instrumenatl session of this nice song;
 
Some Day One Day (Queen II) - The psychedelic style of those times is beautifully shown in this song;
 
The March Of The Black Queen (Queen II) - The heavy rock & opera influences can be clearly felt in this indeed interesting song.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 30 2014 at 05:48
Originally posted by Catcher10 Catcher10 wrote:

No clue...call Brian May and ask him

Seriously, the same could be said for Genesis, Yes (90125, Big Generator).
I have no problem with bands doing this, commercial success = money!! And they deserve to make a lot of money, especially back in those days only album sales and touring paid the bills.

Not to go off topic for a moment, but isn't that ALL that pays the bills as a musician? Even LESS so these days, with album sales dropping, 360 deals, and touring musicians (the minor leagues, that is) essentially living off t-shirt sales from town to town?

I can't say any of those bands "sold out", especially if their back catalog is as impressive as Queen or Yes. Those guys all deserve to make a few more bucks after years of pinching pennies.

Does anyone know how much any of those bands (Queen, Yes, Genesis) brought in annually from the beginning until now? Is there a data sheet somewhere? I'd definitely be interested to see that!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 30 2014 at 03:18
Queen from the beginning were in the direction of mainstream rockand it's a quite normal thing that they were rushing to fame and big sales.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 30 2014 at 02:58
Possibly it also influenced that Freddy got seduced by the role of superstar frontman live and was not interested in playing the piano live anymore, and they never wanted to take a full-time keyboardist, so their format live was limited to a trio guitar / bass / drums (although they had support by a keyboardist and pre-recorded stuff occasionally), so they could not make very complex music which they could not play live.
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