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moshkito
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Topic: Your Progressive Rock as a movie! Posted: June 26 2012 at 13:38 |
Hi, There is a film, that I seriously doubt that anyone here will catch it ... and learn from it ... it is a sort of "documentary" and it is called "The Trip" and it is about Ken Kesey and his trip in the 60's ... and this WAS what the whole "psychedelic" thing was about ... that we forgot, and instead got into the sex or dope ... and forgot the rest. There is a magic moment in that film towards the end, that says it all ... a few words from Ken about the whole trip from California to NY and everything that it entailed ... that comment isself, is the meat of the sandwich and what the whole thing is about. And that is EXACTLY what we have forgotten, and will not admit, or accept. And we forget about that every single day of our lives ... to the point where we don't care and sometimes think that getting stoned or drunk or whatever is a better way to experience something that ... we might be missing out on, even when we might not be missing out on it! A lot of the 60's was about ... you missing out on being "there" and being told that you were not cool, because you did not do this or experience that or such ... and that is just ... "advertising" ... and not the real thing. But it's hard to talk about that or tell you about a "movie" that is so real, that it is scary ... and the whole thing about the Ken Kesey film, pretty much tells you where folks went wrong ... and where the music, or the arts go wrong ... when they do not have the internal constitution, and you point the finger elsewhere ... and nowhere was this more visible in a sublt detail in the earlier part of the film ... and it was about Nurse Ratchet ... when he commented that everyone thought she was evil and a bad person ... and he goes ... she's not! ... she's trapped ... the system gave her a job ... she has no choice in the matter! ... and it's exactly the same thing in those days ... when it came to dope, sex, music and so many other things, no different than today ... you always fall ... to what your friends do and tell you and we all share the "same mistakes" ... and some of us learn from them, and over come them ... and some of us? ... we look for excuses! And no one will EVER be able to write about that "deception" ... even though some have tried! The world/image of advertising, stars, media and all that, has forever killed the ability for any of us to ever come together and understand what ... it is all about ... there simply is too much out there taking you away from your "father" (as a famous man used to say), for us to be able to connect inside ever again! I have my hopes and wishes that art and music are very important part of these things, but ... everyone is more interested in Harry Potter, Avengers and Batman ... so ... end of story ... good luck enjoying and living your life Nurse Ratchet ... specially with people thinking that you are the evil one!
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moshkito
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Posted: June 25 2012 at 09:24 |
richardh wrote:
... the whole drug thing passed my by (thankfully!) so I can't comment on the authenticity of the 'trip' in 2001. I found the film a bit boring to be honest. I watched it at film club at college around about 1980 and then quickly raced to the nearest bookshop after to read the last chapter of the book.That didn't make any sense either (although it did at least make for a nice cover for Eloy's Planets album)
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It was overblown, of course, just like everything else. The biggest issue about it all, that I have, is that many people were taking it, that shouldn't ... and they are the scared ones today, thumping a book over your head sometimes, because they are still afraid that a separate reality will blindside them again ... even if it is their very own reality! ... nothing like shutting down one side of yourself, and think that you are better for it, and your body not suffer in the end! Or the many women I know and have met, that are still hiding the stuff they did that they did not like or enjoy ... and still lie to themselves in the mirror and hide behind make up and an idealistic "religion" sometimes called "new age", other times "wiccan" ... other times ... but the one thing missing? ... the perspective on their experiences in the past ... and a wilful lack of ability to look at it "free" of judgements! The book is far superior to the film, although the book does not have the mental trips ... Arthur C Clarke is not a "trip" oriented person or writer. He is not a good writer to represent that stuff ... but it is a wild speculation that gives our imaginations ideas ... no different than 55 years before that ... people scared at a gun pointed at them in the film and it shooting! The imagination of the sound itself was even more worrysome for many folks in the audience! Putting all this together, for me, is easy ... because I had a literary background, and although that is not always preferred (Castaneda!), there is a nice side of it ... I can compare other trips in the literary world with those that I see or hear about ... most people have no idea ... so I can tell you the differences between John Lilly, Robert Monroe, 2001, Sunshine Acid, Purple Haze, Amon Duul 2, Castaneda, Pink Floyd, Huxley, Diary of a Drugfiend, Gurdgieff, Lynn Andrews, Marolo Morgan, Taisha Abelar, Lobsang Rampa, and many others ... and the "inner vision" in 95% of all this music is just talk ... talk ... talk ... talk ... and nothing to show for it. To me, that is not "art" ... it's just good fart'ing! What a lot of folks don't see, is how much of this "progressive" stuff is a beautiful search for an internal utopia that is so similar to the searches and work that many others pend their whole lifetime hoping and working for! Somehow I think that spending a lifetime just collecting songs that are much doggy doo about nothing ... is not very appealing to me ... what's the point? ... and believe it or not, it is the element I mention above that makes TFTO one of the superlative efforts in rock music ... EVER ... to enter into a spirit realm ... that almost no one will ever understand, or relate to it ... and I'm just glad that the music itself has made an indelible stamp on people, because i can tell you that even the lyrics on this one are beautifully focused ... but that they are way too far out there for most to understand ... and I just love to say ... there is nothing to understand that is not already present in that moment in time! And that piece of music has it! ... too many others are just loudness excused with some lyrics! And not worth the movie or the discussion!
Edited by moshkito - June 26 2012 at 12:31
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moshkito
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Posted: June 25 2012 at 08:59 |
dwill123 wrote:
"The Brother from Another Planet", I envision the soundtrack sounding like a cross between early Genesis and Parliament-Funkadelic.... |
I have this wild thought in my mind all the time ... Maggot Brain is way too progressive for most folks here! The appreciation is not there much ... or as Richard Pryor used to say ..." _______ on acid! ... and mannnn, we got robbed!"
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richardh
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Posted: June 23 2012 at 01:07 |
moshkito wrote:
richardh wrote:
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2001, is not that "progressive" a film, but it is a fun film to watch. Kubrick had his good points, but being the first was not one of them ... and the pictures from Nasa and the TV shots were way better than the imaginary world he created. ... ohhh yeah ... I forgot ... Sunshine was wayyyyyyyy better than the trip in the movie will ever be ... so don't get fooled again!
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Sunshine was a very nice film but lacked any great depth.Danny Boyle's thing is not sci-fi. I thought Prometheus was a better film and way more fun if basically a load of nonsense
I guess you are a fan of Silent Running if you like Sunshine? |
Richard ... that was Sunshine Acid ... not anything else ... this was a naughty drug reference on my part! That trip in th emovie was stupid compared to the real thing! It was not very good at all ... and there were light shows at the Filmore that were far better than 2001 (the film) ever had! That is the reason why I say ... don't get fooled again ... by advertising and a movie, comparing things to the real thing!
Facts, Richard ... facts!!! |
the whole drug thing passed my by (thankfully!) so I can't comment on the authenticity of the 'trip' in 2001. I found the film a bit boring to be honest. I watched it at film club at college around about 1980 and then quickly raced to the nearest bookshop after to read the last chapter of the book.That didn't make any sense either (although it did at least make for a nice cover for Eloy's Planets album )
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Posted: June 23 2012 at 00:33 |
^ What prog album would you relate it to?
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Fox On The Rocks
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Posted: June 23 2012 at 00:17 |
Napoleon Dynamite
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AlexDOM
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Posted: June 22 2012 at 22:50 |
The Extended Cut of Sucker Punch
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Wu Bi Shuai
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Posted: June 22 2012 at 16:42 |
thellama73 wrote:
I would have to say "The Fall." It has everything that prog has: luxuriant excess, epic proportions, high drama, deep philosophical themes, aesthetic virtuosity and stylistic diversity. It's also just a really good movie.
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This is the first movie I thought of when I saw this thread. The majesty scale with a deep, personal story, wild fantasy, and breathtaking imagery, combined with the recurring theme of Beethoven's symphony (2nd movement) make this movie think of the best aspects of symphonic prog.
Smurph wrote:
Neon Genesis : Evangelion and the subsequential movies.
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I just finished watching Evangelion for the first time, and many aspects of that show remind my of prog (especially accusations of being pretentious). I really loved it at first, but after I finished I felt unsure. My attitude to it now is like my attitude to KC. With an open mind, and repeated viewings/listening, I think I could really get into it.
The other movie I would recommend is "The Fountain". I can't figure out how to describe it, but if anyone else here has seen it, I think they would agree that it is comparable to prog.
Edited by Wu Bi Shuai - June 22 2012 at 16:44
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Posted: June 22 2012 at 16:42 |
"The Brother from Another Planet", I envision the soundtrack sounding like a cross between early Genesis and Parliament-Funkadelic.
Edited by dwill123 - June 25 2012 at 20:12
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Posted: June 22 2012 at 16:06 |
A Clockwork Orange is very King Crimsonish. I agree on 2001: A Space Odyssey. I sometimes wonder if Kubrick was a secret proghead.
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Dayvenkirq
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Posted: June 22 2012 at 11:21 |
Textbook wrote:
How could I have forgotten Eraserhead. |
Damn. That has just hit my head a couple of minutes ago. "Eraserhead" for me too.
frippism wrote:
Harold and Maude.
A 19 year old f**king an 80 year old. |
Edited by Dayvenkirq - June 22 2012 at 11:22
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Lizzy
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Posted: June 22 2012 at 10:41 |
At the risk of sounding extremely pretentious, I have to say Aronofsky's Pi.
A paranoid mathematician searches for a key number that will unlock the universal patterns found in nature. |
^that pretty much sums it up. Loved the film and I have to say it goes fairly well with prog.
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moshkito
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Posted: June 22 2012 at 10:32 |
richardh wrote:
... 2001, is not that "progressive" a film, but it is a fun film to watch. Kubrick had his good points, but being the first was not one of them ... and the pictures from Nasa and the TV shots were way better than the imaginary world he created. ... ohhh yeah ... I forgot ... Sunshine was wayyyyyyyy better than the trip in the movie will ever be ... so don't get fooled again!
... Sunshine was a very nice film but lacked any great depth.Danny Boyle's thing is not sci-fi. I thought Prometheus was a better film and way more fun if basically a load of nonsense
I guess you are a fan of Silent Running if you like Sunshine? |
Richard ... that was Sunshine Acid ... not anything else ... this was a naughty drug reference on my part! That trip in th emovie was stupid compared to the real thing! It was not very good at all ... and there were light shows at the Filmore that were far better than 2001 (the film) ever had! That is the reason why I say ... don't get fooled again ... by advertising and a movie, comparing things to the real thing! Facts, Richard ... facts!!!
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Posted: June 22 2012 at 08:46 |
Synecdoche New York.
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Posted: June 22 2012 at 08:29 |
-Radioswim- wrote:
So I've been curious since I watched Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind, which movie you all have seen, that really demonstrates all you know as a progressive rock experiance.To me, "Eternal Sunshine of a Spotless Mind" collects everything I expect of Progressive Rock album and conveys it in such a sense that I belong to it. I want to know how you feel about other "Prog-movies" Edit- Maybe I asked the question incorrectly. What I meant to ask is "what Movie completes you as a progressive rock fan"
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If you liked that, you should check out Being John Malkovich and Adaptation (both also by Charlie Kaufman).
Myself, I would say Primer, definitely progressive storytelling...
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Posted: June 22 2012 at 08:23 |
I would have to say "The Fall." It has everything that prog has: luxuriant excess, epic proportions, high drama, deep philosophical themes, aesthetic virtuosity and stylistic diversity. It's also just a really good movie.
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Posted: June 22 2012 at 06:59 |
Jacob's Ladder
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Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...
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Posted: June 22 2012 at 01:56 |
-Radioswim- wrote:
So I've been curious since I watched Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind, which movie you all have seen, that really demonstrates all you know as a progressive rock experiance.To me, "Eternal Sunshine of a Spotless Mind" collects everything I expect of Progressive Rock album and conveys it in such a sense that I belong to it. I want to know how you feel about other "Prog-movies" Edit- Maybe I asked the question incorrectly. What I meant to ask is "what Movie completes you as a progressive rock fan"
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I have a similar view of Eternal Sunshine too. Did you know that it supposedly sync perfectly with Dredg's El Cielo kind of like Dark Side of the Moon does with the Wizard of Oz? I can't remember specifics but I thinking when the "sitting sideways" part happens, Joel is seen sitting sideways.
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Posted: June 22 2012 at 01:47 |
Harold and Maude.
A 19 year old f**king an 80 year old.
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There be dragons
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Posted: June 22 2012 at 01:24 |
For the kind of prog I most enjoy? Probably something like Airplane! or Kung Pow! Zany and off-the-wall all the way!
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