avant classical music

Without Raymond Scott, would Rush have recorded La Villa Strangiato?

That's a great idea Alex; but wouldn't it be better to have a separate subforum for that? On general music discussions or somewhere similar.

There certainly wouldn't be anything wrong with PA carrying articles outlining the sorts of varied influences and sources cited in this thread re their contribution and impact towards the work of the Progressive Rock artists listed on PA. The only note of caution I would sound however is that it would be utterly preposterous if there was an expectation that such non rock and non prog artists be added to the site e.g. just taking one Prog sub genre at random, there are probably > 500 Symphonic Prog bands on PA. We could between us I'm sure, come up with thousands of classical composers, avant-garde musicians, electronic pioneers, jazz artists etc who have had a demonstrable influence on any number of artists on PA

Logan wrote: If you are referring to all of the avant garde artists mentioned (edit, re-read, and guess you mean the ones in the first post particularly).

Actually I referred to those few that I know a bit , like Ligeti, Varese, Stockhausen, Messiaen (and those jazz guys)


Edited by Bonnek - October 16 2011 at 13:59

There's Ubuweb for those composers.

thellama73 wrote: Padraic wrote: This site is a database for progressive rock. True, but we all know that there are tons of artists here who have nothing to do with rock. Most of the prog-electronic category, in fact.

All the main artist in prog-electronic started out as rock artists and Schulze specifically always keeps referring to how significant his roots as a drummer were for his electronic music.

Also, if you're looking for classical music that had an influence on Prog then Mozart, Bach, Beethoven, Mussorgsky, Prokofiev all were significantly more important for Prog rock then the avant guys quoted.

thellama73 wrote: Logan wrote: I have moved this to Help us Improve this Site since you are not recommending, making a case for, and providing relevant smaples of, a particular one.  There have been some other discussions on this, and I would like to see a section for modern (ones working in the second half of the 20th centurfy) non-rock experimental and infleuntial composers (for instance, musique concrete and jazz ones) that were influential to styles included in PA.  For instance, I think that Stockhausen, Xenakis, and Ligetti could find a section, as well as jazzers such as Sun Ra, Ornette Coleman, Coltrane, and Mingus.  I completely agree with this. Also, Varese ad Raymond Scott should have a place, since they were electronic pioneers.

ExittheLemming wrote: Doesn't avant preceding classical look like a bit of a non sequiter (or am I being pedantic?)

I think you are being pedantic, "classical" has meant music not made during the "classical period" for quite some time now.  

kingcrimsonfan wrote: Prog rock is a whole different genre its not just rock it's a different type of music that allows improv and experimentalism

No it's not, both of those things existed long before prog did.

There is some on here; John Zorn has done many avant-garde classical music albums. Also, the early Univers Zero albums fall into this category, in my opinion.

I have moved this to Help us Improve this Site since you are not recommending, making a case for, and providing relevant smaples of, a particular one.  There have been some other discussions on this, and I would like to see a section for modern (ones working in the second half of the 20th centurfy) non-rock experimental and infleuntial composers (for instance, musique concrete and jazz ones) that were influential to styles included in PA.  For instance, I think that Stockhausen, Xenakis, and Ligetti could find a section, as well as jazzers such as Sun Ra, Ornette Coleman, Coltrane, and Mingus. 


Edited by Logan - October 15 2011 at 13:19