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Henry Plainview 
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Posted: February 10 2011 at 15:59 |
Please put more than a quarter second of thought into your next thread Xanatos, it's becoming exhausting.
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I find it difficult to believe that people make music quite as cynically as is being implied here. The act of making and playing music, especially in this day and age, is primarily for enjoyment of the act, not because it is fashionable or convenient. |
I have to agree strongly with this. If you want to make money, going into music is the worst possible way of doing it. Accusing someone of selling out makes a little bit of sense, although I usally disagree with that accusation, but would anyone really form a band to make music they hate with the sole intention of making money? Unless you're going to accuse the members of Nickelback of being insane, I'm going to have to assume they're being genuine. Even for pure corporate music like Justin Bieber, it's clear that Justin himself loves that music. Otherwise he wouldn't have been singing it on Youtube and he never would have been discovered.
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if you own a sodastream i hate you
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AllP0werToSlaves
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Posted: February 10 2011 at 15:23 |
^That's all I was saying hahaha. I do get a little over zealous with music discussion, I'll admit that 
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Posted: February 10 2011 at 13:37 |
AllP0werToSlaves wrote:
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Maybe I was being too post-ironic  |
How did I miss this lmao
+1.
But in all seriousness, you guys don't buy into that crap do you? I absolutely LOVE late 80's/early 90's extreme metal, but everything after that generation seems stagnant. Even Meshuggah to a degree are somewhat boring; their approach is almost too tech and focused on impressing listeners with their complex understanding of rhythm (which isn't a bad thing, I just prefer GORGUTS "OBSCURA" if I'm going to listen to something of that caliber). Maybe I'm jaded, but metal just ain't what it used to be.
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I don't know who "you guys" is but for speaking for myself I believe that all styles of rock first have a wild and creative peak before the quality gets smothered by stagnation and an abundance of derivative artists. The problem with metal specifically is that bands stick to just one idea and keep repeating it over the course of an entire album (career sometimes). In many cases that idea isn't even theirs but is simply nicked from the closest band next-door. Is that music bad? Maybe, it sure doesn't capture me. No music is 100% original but when it comes to metal I'm sure missing creativity and risk in lots of what I'm hearing today. Still the last 10 years gave me Opeth and Eslaved, two of my all-time favorites. So it's rather a matter of finding the gems amidst the abundance of choice then the fact that there would be less worthy music then before.
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Dean
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Posted: February 10 2011 at 13:19 |
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I find it difficult to believe that people make music quite as cynically as is being implied here. The act of making and playing music, especially in this day and age, is primarily for enjoyment of the act, not because it is fashionable or convenient. If it is wrong to follow the rules and wrong to break them then the modern musician is caught between a post-rock and a hard-rock place with the only person left to please is himself; When the limitations of 12-bar blues have run their course, add another 4 bars and call it 16-bar blues, at the end of the day it's still the blues and still fits a formula regardless of how you twist and augment it; Everything is derivative unless you are an amnesiac living in an music vaccuum, even the music of 40 years ago was derived from something that went before and was regarded by the unwashed poplace as being pretentious and escoteric (i.e. up it's own bottom); nothing in this world is new, but then it never was and never will be; progressive rock was not a step-function from nothing, it didn't suddenly appear fully-formed and ready to rock, just as it didn't just stop the day the music died.
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AllP0werToSlaves
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Posted: February 10 2011 at 12:33 |
I am very outspoken about my beliefs, but I would never force them upon anyone; do what you will with my opinion, I respect yours just as much!
But in all seriousness, as an active musician in New England it's rather infuriating to see the same crap getting put up on a pedestal. Creativity has been traded for fashion and convenience. I swear these kids only play that style because it constitutes drop-tunings for extra lazy riffing patterns lol.
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Posted: February 10 2011 at 11:12 |
AllP0werToSlaves wrote:
Modern music is still super derivative and pretentious in comparison to what bands were doing 40 years ago IMHO; having to come up with all these labels for your band today completely ruins the experience factor when all I hear sh*t like "post-djent"; makes me cringe to think people actually take that sh*t seriously. This is all aimed at the "post-rock" (as if rock ever "officially" ended) era of course; extreme metal is starting to degrade as well; everything seems to have started tapering off since the 90's IMHO.
Post-rock = we aren't creative enough to write good music with hooks so we will just come up with a term that describes our laziness and lack of composition ability in the most artistically acceptable way possible. Let's take all the best parts of rock and throw them out the window in favor of boring, droning guitars with no substance! Hooray for modern "rock"! |
This is very sad. I can see that you are very outward and daring with your conclusions. I must admit that I agree and feel less than an eel doing it. I grew in a different time period with music and that time being dried up like a prune can make a person feel very alone and disconnected. I don't know what kind of proto-plasmic slim I am engendered in. But my memory banks go on forever. 
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AllP0werToSlaves
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Posted: February 10 2011 at 08:49 |
Bonnek wrote:
Maybe I was being too post-ironic |
How did I miss this lmao
+1.
But in all seriousness, you guys don't buy into that crap do you? I absolutely LOVE late 80's/early 90's extreme metal, but everything after that generation seems stagnant. Even Meshuggah to a degree are somewhat boring; their approach is almost too tech and focused on impressing listeners with their complex understanding of rhythm (which isn't a bad thing, I just prefer GORGUTS "OBSCURA" if I'm going to listen to something of that caliber). Maybe I'm jaded, but metal just ain't what it used to be.
Edited by AllP0werToSlaves - February 10 2011 at 08:52
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Posted: February 10 2011 at 05:16 |
AllP0werToSlaves wrote:
The T wrote:
^No, my post was actually nonsense... Too much political reading lately  |
Tell me about it! I feel like I'm absorbing more and more politics as of late. |
Me, I never get political... stop laughing.
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Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened... 
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AllP0werToSlaves
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Posted: February 10 2011 at 00:37 |
The T wrote:
^No, my post was actually nonsense... Too much political reading lately |
Tell me about it! I feel like I'm absorbing more and more politics as of late.
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Posted: February 09 2011 at 13:20 |
The funniest thing is when you drop "post-djent" here and it is taken seriously. Maybe I was being too post-ironic
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Posted: February 09 2011 at 12:21 |
^No, my post was actually nonsense... Too much political reading lately
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AllP0werToSlaves
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Posted: February 09 2011 at 12:04 |
I'm pretty sure the last two posts are meant as sarcasm, but I have to agree with both of them on some level.
Quell the masses with mediocre entertainment!
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Posted: February 09 2011 at 11:29 |
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It's all a government plot to keep us entertained...
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Posted: February 09 2011 at 11:10 |
AllP0werToSlaves wrote:
everything seems to have started tapering off since the 90's IMHO.
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You might even say 1989 was the last good year for music.
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Posted: February 09 2011 at 11:09 |
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Is there a point to this? |
Doesn't look like there is.
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AllP0werToSlaves
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Posted: February 09 2011 at 11:08 |
Modern music is still super derivative and pretentious in comparison to what bands were doing 40 years ago IMHO; having to come up with all these labels for your band today completely ruins the experience factor when all I hear sh*t like "post-djent"; makes me cringe to think people actually take that sh*t seriously. This is all aimed at the "post-rock" (as if rock ever "officially" ended) era of course; extreme metal is starting to degrade as well; everything seems to have started tapering off since the 90's IMHO.
Post-rock = we aren't creative enough to write good music with hooks so we will just come up with a term that describes our laziness and lack of composition ability in the most artistically acceptable way possible. Let's take all the best parts of rock and throw them out the window in favor of boring, droning guitars with no substance! Hooray for modern "rock"!
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Posted: February 09 2011 at 08:43 |
Bonnek wrote:
I can't wait for post-djent.
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I think Periphery is already doing proto-post-djent (which will be a genre of electronica, with decorative guitar progressions  )
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Posted: February 09 2011 at 08:42 |
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I can't wait for post-djent.
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Posted: February 09 2011 at 08:33 |
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Is there a point to this?
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Posted: February 09 2011 at 08:28 |
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We had something called Hardrock , now we have Post-rock ....
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