Proggin' in communism: Prog in ex-Yugoslavia |
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The Great Duck
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Topic: Proggin' in communism: Prog in ex-Yugoslavia Posted: November 24 2012 at 13:41 |
Hahha, I'm well aware četniks were pro-fascist b*****ds (and I should note I'm a Croat, so I don't support četniks in any way, just to clear that). It's just that they were pro-Allied for a while, but then joined the Germans (although, the German ultimate aim was to eventually disarm them; the Italians were the biggest supporters of the četniks, which led to many protests from both the Germans and the NDH authorities, although both would also collaborate with some četnik units). But as I undestand it, there were several četnik factions in Yugoslavia - the ones led by Draža Mihailović were supported by the Allies until 1943, when they realized that the četniks fought for power in Yugoslavia against the Partisans, rather than collaborating with them against the Axis.
OTOH, the ones led by Kosta Pećanac were Axis collaborators from the very beginning, I believe. But we're getting too off-topic here... EDIT: That last picture is of četniks with an ustaša officer, right? Edited by The Great Duck - November 24 2012 at 13:42 |
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Svetonio
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Posted: November 24 2012 at 13:09 |
For example, Ana Never's new full lenght album is a masterpiece of post rock, a genre which wasn't existed in 70s.
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Svetonio
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Posted: November 24 2012 at 11:48 |
Of course! I know that so many wild drunks have to spend few days in jail because they were screeming Ustani bane or Vojvodo Sindjelicu in death of the night and wake up everybody in a block. Now it's free to do it and now it's an awesome choir that you can't imagine
How "chetniks" were fighting against Germans in WW2, those photos shows at its best
Finally, what you have to say about this drinking contest:
Edited by Svetonio - November 24 2012 at 12:21 |
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The Great Duck
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Posted: November 24 2012 at 06:23 |
Dunno, I've heard people were getting arrested for singing Vila Velebita or Ustani bane.
Yugoslavia had bad relations with the Vatican for some time IIRC, and let's not forget what was done to cardinal Stepinac. You're also wrong about Tito's partisans being the only ones who fought the Germans - the Četniks were in the resistance too at first, but soon decided fighting the partisans for domination in future Yugoslavia was a priority, so they sided with the Axis. But let's get back to the music now! |
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Svetonio
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Posted: November 24 2012 at 03:19 |
It's NOT true that people were losing their job "if they went to the church", this is just falsehood by "modern" fascists. All of religions and that freedom to be religious, in Tito's Yugoslavia were highly respected.
Marshal Tito and his wife recieved by pope Paul VI in Vatican
Also, nobody was imprisoned in Marshal Tito's Yugoslavia if sings folk and patriots songs from WW2, WW 1, or from earlier historical periods (actually, we were learned to sing them as part of basic school programme), but if one was singing a fascist ( "nationalist") songs what were singing by a number of quisling forces during the WW2, as "ustashe", "chetniks", etc., it has to be punish, but it was not more than 60 days in a low security jails. Well, Marshal Tito's partisans was only one movement in occupated Yugoslavia who was fight against Germans in WW2, they were a fanatic fighters for freedom, so that was perfectly normal thing to punish these obscure fascists .
A decade after Tito's death, these lovely "nationalists" somehow took a freedom to sing loudly and proudly their fascist songs, and in early '90s, a beautiful Socialistic Federative Republic of Yugoslavia was buried and so many people died, losing their homes, etc.
A socio-economic development was great in Marshal Tito' Socialistic Federative Republic of Yugoslavia, as same as agriculture (what was very primitive in pro-fascist Kingdom of Yugoslavia), also industry, export-import bussines, science development, etc. A system was based on workers-self management. Small private bussines ( 20 employees mostly were allowed) was welcomed and very profitabile at that time, so I know people who get millions of USD in Tito's Yugoslavia.
Marshal Tito was a genius without a question.
He was a man, he was our best souvereign. Edited by Svetonio - November 24 2012 at 06:35 |
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The Great Duck
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Posted: November 22 2012 at 15:11 |
Well, some would say there were no communist countries in history at all - just socialist countries ruled by communist parties, with communism being the desired system the parties wanted to achieve.
You're right about Yugoslavia being more liberal than other communist countries - still, it was ruled by a communist party, and a cult of personality of president Tito was also endorsed by the government. In fact, Yugoslavia was one of USSR's biggest allies at the beginning of Cold War, but managed to remain independent and unaligned after Tito's split with Stalin in 1948. I've also heard stories of people losing their jobs if they went to church, or getting imprisoned for singing nationalist songs. Fortunately, the regime didn't restrict musical creativity that much, which resulted in a plethora of great bands forming in Yugoslavia. I don't know about agriculture and the businesses, but I'm certain private ownership was allowed to a degree. Anyway...Let's get back to the music! |
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Argonaught
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Posted: November 17 2012 at 17:02 |
Interestingly, I never thought of Yugoslavia as a "communist" country. I know for a fact that Yugoslavians were never in the Warsaw Pact. I believe they were free to travel abroad and to go to church. The agriculture was in private hands and the businesses ran like employee-owned enterprises in the West rather than being controlled by the Party functionaries. True? False?
Edited by Argonaught - November 22 2012 at 15:17 |
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The Great Duck
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Posted: November 16 2012 at 09:40 |
Great thread, Weirdamigo! Here's some suggestions if you ever decide to revive this thread:
Bijelo dugme Indexi Drugi način Teška industrija Dah Tako Pop mašina Gordi Atomsko sklonište (not really prog, but if Azra and Kerber can be here, then these guys deserve a spot too) |
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Posted: May 12 2012 at 17:25 |
Nice to see this little thread again. I kept researching around and I'm glad I contributed to get a few older bands here like Na Lepem Prijazni, Miha Kralj and some unknown rarity Dzejbi which I couldn't find any info about. The more I go through history though I don't think there will be anything new prog coming up for the ex-country anymore, not that I won't be coming back to that music, I love a lot of it (I am still waiting though for response from the team on Vladimir Furfuj who made nice fusion after Korni Grupa).
Here's some stuff by a band Don that I found labeled as prog rock but it's a bit cheesy for me; I do I think it has a bit different 80's flavour than art rock bands of the same era (which I like better). Check it out, maybe someone will see some more merit in this. And I know we're limited on this threads but I do think the 80's still have some hidden if not prog, but nice experimental stuff more related to new wave. And for something way way back, one single from Kameleoni had a rather nice vintage psychedelic flavour, it's pretty cool, I hoped it would lead to better things as this kind of stuff proto-prog bands are made of, but they just made beat singles. Some of them went into Boomerang but I think it's a bit light to be prog. You were compiling quite of info here Weirdamigo, hope this blog continues |
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sky watcher
Forum Newbie Joined: May 12 2012 Location: Germany Status: Offline Points: 7 |
Posted: May 12 2012 at 11:50 |
So, there are lots of (ex-)yugoslavians here
Thanks for all these posts. Weirdamigo, I understand you as you say there are tears coming by hearing rucni rad (meaning "hand made", by the way, for those who don't understand). For me, it's the same. In "Tangenta" also, there is a song which progressively comes up. It's called "tako blizu (do suza)" (so close to tears): http://www.youtube.com/embed/UX6lcu9lVWQ |
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Weirdamigo
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Posted: March 18 2012 at 12:41 |
Neither are Blue Oyster Cult, Radiohead and other bands but they are still on the site
These bands are not entirely prog yet they have had a prog background and/or were influenced by it. I just posted electricni orgazam as a general idea of the rock music seen in SFRY, i'm well aware that They have nothing to do with prog :P |
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grosssover
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Posted: March 18 2012 at 12:21 |
AZRA, YU GRUPA, ELEKTRICNI ORGAZAM NISU PROG ROCK!!!!
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Weirdamigo
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Posted: March 18 2012 at 08:27 |
After a long break and realizing that I have too much time on my hands, I decided to revive My Olde Blog about this seemingly forgotten Genre. To those who actually gave a toss about my little blog I
apologize for keeping you waiting for so long, please do not blame me but my
general laziness. Nonetheless, let’s start off with an iconic Serbian band: YU
grupa YU grupa Founded: 1970 Country: Serbia Genre: Progressive Rock, Blues Rock, Hard Rock, Folk Rock Years Active: 1970- 1981, 1987- present
Current Members: Dragi Jelić Žika Jelić Petar Jelić Slobodan Jurišić Former Members: Miodrag Okrugić Discography: Yu Grupa (1793) Kako to da svaki dan? (1974) YU Grupa (1975) Medu zvezdama (1977) Samo napred… (1979) Od zlata jabuka (1987) Ima nade (1988) Tragovi (1990) Rim 1994 (1995) Dugo znamo se (2005)
There is much to be said about YU Grupa, which, along with bands such as Bjelo dugme and Riblja Corba , is an icon for YU rock and still maintains much of its popularity today. I shall try and make this post focused on the music rather then the bands conflicts and personnel changes to keep it from dragging on too long. Formation: YU grupa was formed in 1970 by the brothers Dragi (lead guitar and vocals),Zika Jelic (bass and rarely vocals) and by Miodrag Kostic (keyboards) and Velibor Jodanovic (drums) and performed under the name of Idejni Posed (Notional Property) which later changed to YU Grupa by a suggestion of an audience member. They recorded their first song “Nona” in 1971, combining Folk music from Kosovo with hard rock. This song was met with great success and enjoyed repeated plays on the radios throughout Jugoslavia. This mix of Folk and Rock would become a trademark in the music of Yu Grupa and greatly expanded their fanbase. “Nona” :
YU grupa received a number of invitations to play at festivals and clubs, but tensions within the band left the two bothers without a drummer and keyboardist. Replacements were quickly found and spent much of 1972 touring Yugoslavian countries. 1973 YU grupa booked a flight to London to get a hold on better equipment, which otherwise would have been hard to come by. CBS producers were able hear some of their material and were impressed enough to offer them a gig at the famous Marquee club in London. YU grupa and CBS cooperated and the band went back to Belgrade to record their self-titled debut album.
Rise to success:
The bands first album was met with critical acclaim. It was praised for its combination, of Folk, Rock and Blues elements. A diverse album, it slowly cemented YU grupa as an essential band of the YU rock movement. One of the most famous ballads of Yu grupa was “Crni Leptir” (Black butterfly), which was sung by bassist Zika Jelic , and is still a popular ballad about how a first love can leave its scars and burn away your wings:
“More” (The sea) is the most blues influenced song by YU grupa and is considered as one of the greatest blues songs that originated in Yugoslavia:
“This is what I’m talking about!” is what many hard rock fans proclaimed as “cudna suma” (weird forest) hit the airwaves and showed a rougher side of the band:
Shortly after the debut album hit the store shelves, YU grupa finished the recording on their second album “Kako to da svaki dan?” (How come that every day…? The album was musically more complex then their debut and had a more melancholic feel. It did not enjoyed the great success of its predecessor but is regarded as one of their finest albums. The sequel to “More”, “More NO.2” clearly shows the darker and slower bluesy side of the new record:
“Ballada o YU grupi” is an instrumental track, possibly showing the bands desire for more complex songs rather then the 4 chords variation pop songs:
Maintaining success: The following albums the second self titled album, medu zvezdama, (Among the stars) which was not very commercially successful, and “samo napred” (Go for it) followed a simpler song writing process then the previous album and generated a number of hits, yet did not meet the same acclaim which the debut album received. “Novi Zvuk” (New Sound) from the second self titled album follows a typical hard rock receipt with rough riffs and strong vocals:
“Autobus za raj” (Bus to heaven) features a more funky style:
Decline of popularity and break up: With the arrival of New wave in Yugoslavia in the late 70’s, rock and blues bands were on the decline. YU grupa popularity suffered and, due to an incident of their tour Van blowing up and the destruction of their equipment, decided to put an end to their music.
Reunion and Reestablishing the image: As the new-wave craze died down and Rock bands reemerged with Folk driven rock songs, “Bijelo Dugme” guitarist and infamous lyricist Goran Bregovic suggested to the former members of YU grupa to reunite as their music became popular once again. The band reunited in 1987 and produced their comeback album “Od zlata Jabuka” (Golden apple) which is considered by many fans one of their finest, and not to mention heaviest, albums. “Od zlata jabuka” (Golden apple) features one of the most iconic riffs in YU rock and became one of the greatest hit the band released:
The hard rock influence to the album is very dominant and rocky songs like “ti si otrov moj” (You are my poison) are common on the album:
The following album “Ima nade” in 1988 (There is hope) continues to prove that YU grupa are still one of the most thriving bands in Yugoslavia and features some of the bands greatest hits. In the warmer days of Belgrade, you can still stumbled upon tipsy teenagers and adults singing the song “Mornar” (Sailor) awfully out of tune outside the local bars:
“Dunavom jos sibaju vetrovi” (The winds still blow on the Danube) Is the most popular ballad by the band alongside “crni leptir”, perhaps the voice of bassist Zika Jelic is a good luck charm for their ballads:
Later years: The band recorded its next album “Tragovi” (Tracks) in 1990 with their former drummer Radislav Delmas, who left the band after the debut album Even though the album did not receive the same acclaim as the previous two albums, it maintains a solid Hard rock sound Sviram “I’m playing” :
After five years they recorded “Rim 1994” another solid hard rock album but was met with limited success.
Where are they now?: Still active! In 2005 they recorded “dugo se znamo” (we know each other for a long time) and play on various festivals in all ex-YU states, such as the famous Beer fest where they played in 2007.
I hope you enjoyed my post after more then a year of waiting. If you have any suggestions what band I should post next on my blog please let me know, it’s easier for me that way to find new music and it keeps me guessing what the next post will be about. Edited by Weirdamigo - March 18 2012 at 08:29 |
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N-sz
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Posted: August 01 2011 at 19:44 |
I quite like this one album Yugoslavian band
Pretty interesting stuff, but nearly impossible to find a copy. I doubt it was ever re-released.
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Seyo
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Posted: July 17 2011 at 06:02 |
Moris, thanks for bringing up this relatively unknown electronic musician. He should be included here at PA. I have a trouble with logging in as Collab many months already so I cannot contribute much in adding new names or even posting reviews... |
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Seyo
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Posted: July 17 2011 at 05:58 |
Thanks all for contribution! But please, let's stick with the title of this thread: PROG IN EX-YUGOSLAVIA!
Meaning, Azra is excellent rock band (one of the best ever) but it does not belong to Prog, whatever wide interpretation you may apply to the term PROG. Second, EX-YU existed until 1991, so all later stuff should be put somewhere else, not in this topic. Cheers all |
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clarke2001
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Posted: March 18 2011 at 06:36 |
Why everybody seems to be ignoring progressive electronic? Here are two most successful ones:
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Petar
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Posted: December 03 2010 at 17:22 |
My personal favorites are Smak, Indexi, Korni Grupa, Time, early Bijelo Dugme, S Vremena na Vreme...
Here are some good ex-Yu songs: S vremena na vreme - Kao vreme ispred nas Indexi - Plima Time - Za koji zivot treba da se rodim Edited by Petar - December 03 2010 at 17:26 |
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Weirdamigo
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Posted: November 21 2010 at 15:13 |
Nije prog rock ali je YU-rock a to je najbitnije .
Lets stick to english though.
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grosssover
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Posted: November 21 2010 at 14:31 |
odusevio si me.... tebi je elektricni orgazam prog rock? do jaja eeee/////
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