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Posted: September 23 2010 at 00:10
Great lists. I bookmarked them so I can find them again.
If proto and related were in the main list, Queen II would be 61, Led Zeppelin IV would be 67, Abbey Road would be 94, and A Night at the Opera would be 99. They show the weighted average by each album so I slipped them in.
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Posted: September 19 2010 at 08:17
the top albums from Related and Proto would come in the top 100 at around place 25 so the top wouldn't be scewed that much only for purists it would be an inconvenience. but for good charts you'd have to make a top list from your favourite genre's anyway.
IMO the charts (top 100 most importantly) should reflect the best/most popular/bestknown albums on the archives independant from sub-genre.
finding more obscure masterpieces should be a search for the holy grail and only findable for those who want it bad enough.
BTW Deep Purple should be in a prog-genre and not in proto-prog or prog related as they were one of the pioneers and actually part of the early progressive movement. from In Rock onwards it was still progressive, very heavy prog indeed.
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Posted: June 19 2010 at 07:29
I don't remember the Prog Archives 6 years ago being cluttered with nonsense like Kate Bush in the top 20 and Queen taking up 2 spots in the top 10...but they might have been. In any case the list is an obvious embarrassment which doesn't shock me very much. I've occasionally peeked in on the forums or about 4 years, and only rarely comment. I don't comment because I see it cluttered with kids saying "The new Opeth is great! But I wish they would make another album like Damnation." "Yeah isn't the Coheed and Cambria true prog?" "What do you think of the Mars Volta?". Along side posts of people who apparently just discovered that Yes is a band...and then crazy SOB's which are crying "But Tales of the Topographic Ocean is an album full artistic expression with patience....NOT A PRETENTIOUS COMPOSITION LACKING ANY MELODIC DIRECTION OR MOTIF!!"
The opinion of people no longer matters because being different is oddly trendy.
Anyway, I hope that this thread will change opinion of some people about importance of Prog-related. It's not poor cousin of Prog-full genres, it's underdog genre that should get equal chance by my opinion. And this is my share of help.
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Posted: June 12 2010 at 08:08
Marty McFly wrote:
So go on, fight for your Deep Purple and maybe, you will achieve them moved to Heavy Prog.
No, really. Deep Purple's albums The Book of Taliesin and Concerto for Group and Orchestra were actually progressive. (Source: Wikipedia) Sadly it only lasted a few years then they became a hard rock band with their album Deep Purple in Rock.
Check these;
and this one is instrumental and is from The Book of Taliesin,
^ Oh, I overlooked this thread again. It's difficult. I always saw them very similar to Uriah Heep (except vocals), but that's me. They could be there if you can give facts and reasons. I don't know them so well, so I won't be able to help you. I suggest you go to Heavy Prog thread and talk with members there, show them your vision :-)
There's a point where "avant-garde" and "experimental" becomes "terrible" and "pointless,"
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Posted: June 06 2010 at 05:06
Ok, Marty. Just one question about Proto... why don't Deep Purple fit into a 'proper' Prog category, for example Heavy Prog? Sorry, I realise this is probably an old discussion but I've done the usual searches and found nothing.
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Posted: March 18 2010 at 06:08
The site works very well with the so-called ghetto of Proto-prog and prog-related. PA's Top 100 on the front page is what people visiting the site first meet, and PA would loose credibility as a "serious" site if they were met with Beatles, Metallica and Queen in the top 10.
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Posted: March 17 2010 at 19:00
memowakeman wrote:
Nice lists, had never checked those PP and PR top albums, some great music there
And this is the real crime of having those lists hidden. There are some great albums among the lesser-known names, which in this way will get even less exposure than they would have if they had been considered 'real' prog.
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Posted: March 17 2010 at 18:54
jampa17 wrote:
No way...? really...? is that problematic to people...? I didn't knew that... I'm sure the majority will kill for having the Beatles in the front page... the problem is that is not the same for another bands like The Who or Metallica...
I guess it is to some... or was especially to some in particular.. to see their reviews of .. hahah... 'unknown prog gems' get cycled off the front page due to Hendrix or Zeppelin reviews.
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