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Any Colour You Like ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: May 15 2009 Status: Offline Points: 12294 |
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progressive ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() Joined: October 08 2005 Location: Finland Status: Offline Points: 366 |
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http://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=10976.0
Edit: Oops, that was a wrong link. I don't find the original anymore. Edited by progressive - March 10 2010 at 21:29 |
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The T ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: October 16 2006 Location: FL, USA Status: Offline Points: 17493 |
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They're not prog metal. They're frog metal. Metal that jumps and leaps and seems to be onlh trying to find a acne-scarred princess to kiss it so it reveals its inner beauty.
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JLocke ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: November 18 2007 Status: Offline Points: 4900 |
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The sad thing is, even members of DT-specific Message Boards don't like them! Portnoy shut down the official forums because there were too many Tool vs. Dream Theater or PoS vs. Dream Theater polls . . . and the opposition almost always won!
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stonebeard ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: May 27 2005 Location: NE Indiana Status: Offline Points: 28057 |
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Oh God.
Luckily I anticipated a thread like this would be made again. Got a pistol with one bullet by my side. |
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micky ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: October 02 2005 Location: . Status: Offline Points: 46838 |
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damn... I've thrown every insult I could at DT... but sorry.. can't go there. Of course they are prog... they are not progressive... but that has obviously stopped meaning anything in regards to prog for many bands/artists...
edit.. or prog fans sadly... Insert virtuosity, tracks running more than 10 minutes, metric complexity, and stupid lyrics... and an hour (or worse.. 80 minutes) later... viola... you have prog. yawn.... it is the genrefication of prog (© Micky 2007) You can try to deny it... but while you do... 100's more bands what have not one progresive quality will release albums recognized as prog albums. Edited by micky - March 10 2010 at 16:21 |
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^ Well yeah, I mean, I think regardless of what a band may do later in their career, if there was a significant time in their history when they broke new ground and produced truly progressive music, they deserve to be here.
I've actually never questioned DT's inclusion on this site, although I discovered them through here, too, so . . .
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lucas ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: February 06 2004 Location: France Status: Offline Points: 8138 |
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The same way, you could tell that Genesis and Yes are pop bands...
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"Magma was the very first gothic rock band" (Didier Lockwood)
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It depends on what era of the band's music you're talking about. Modern DT? Absolutely agree with you. Classic DT? Very Prog, in my opinion.
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AAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
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Alberto Muñoz ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: July 26 2006 Location: Mexico Status: Offline Points: 3577 |
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A group of musicians that play music with his instruments.
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Ivan_Melgar_M ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: April 27 2004 Location: Peru Status: Offline Points: 19557 |
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A Metal band with Prog leanings IMO, but probably many will disagree.
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lucas ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: February 06 2004 Location: France Status: Offline Points: 8138 |
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If Dream Theater are not prog metal, what are they ? |
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"Magma was the very first gothic rock band" (Didier Lockwood)
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I hope this is a joke T,
I don't know what's the relation between Math Rock and a metal band with some Prog leanings (Of course IMHO) or why is Math Rock so transcendental.
I woudn't join a Math Rock thread because except for Don Caballero, I know very little, but the knowledge of one sub-genre doesn't have relation with your knowledge of Prog as a whole.
Iván EDIT: OK I read the Math Rock quote and your correct comment. Maybe I have a problem because I don't know much or care about Math Rock. ![]() Edited by Ivan_Melgar_M - March 10 2010 at 15:47 |
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The T ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: October 16 2006 Location: FL, USA Status: Offline Points: 17493 |
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You're right... I'll correct myself. So, Ivan, Negoba, and all of you Progressive's naysayers:
If you don't even know what is math rock, please go away
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Negoba ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: July 24 2008 Location: Big Muddy Status: Offline Points: 5210 |
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I think you missed some of the f'd up grammar in the original quote.
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You are quite a fine person, and I am very fond of you. But you are only quite a little fellow, in a wide world, after all.
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The T ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: October 16 2006 Location: FL, USA Status: Offline Points: 17493 |
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All of this can be better discussed under the light of Progressive's now famous, immortal phrase:
"If you don't even know what math rock is, please go away". So if you two people or anybody else don't agree with him, please do yourselves and us a favor and disappear... You shall not dare to disagree with Progressive. After all, his nickname is as prog as it gets...
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Negoba ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: July 24 2008 Location: Big Muddy Status: Offline Points: 5210 |
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Dream Theater emerged from the (at the time) very popular neo-classical fusion movement (actually just a shredder movement, but that was what they called themselves at the time) and did something almost unheard of, tried to have all five players take equal footing. While Yngwie Malmsteen had been willing to duel with the Johansson brothers, most shredder records were a one-man (very occasionally woman) show. DT were a band straight out of the Mike Varney play book. Pertucci was (and is) a hybrid of Vai and Malmsteen, as were a host of guitarists before him.
If you're going to show off a virtuosic drummer, complex time signatures have to be involved. By the time time Kevin Moore added in his atmospheric glue, prog metal as we know it was forged.
What I'm trying to say is that DT were not born of the prog movement, they sidestepped into it. It was a fairly natural step, but they are the children of Iron Maiden, Vai, Malmsteen. Certainly to some extent Rush. They are not the children of Yes or Genesis or even Marillion.
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You are quite a fine person, and I am very fond of you. But you are only quite a little fellow, in a wide world, after all.
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