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    Posted: October 02 2009 at 20:05
Still, I can't see them ever as a metal band. Even in the incident, there was alot of stuff that was not metal at all. They are not considered a metal band. Metal as just an ingredient in their newfound mixing pot.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 02 2009 at 19:43
Not progressive metal, agreed. But still, I would have to vote if not Crossover they should go in experimental/post metal.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 02 2009 at 19:38
They would personally fit best in Crossover or Eclectic (concerning such a wide range of styles, wider than most bands on the site) although Psychedelic and Heavy both fit different parts of their career.

I could never see them in Progressive Metal though. That would essentially be judging a band based on a few minutes of their expansive discography?!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 29 2009 at 03:59
Originally posted by Mr ProgFreak Mr ProgFreak wrote:

Unfortunately they're too Eclectic for Crossover. LOL
 
But nor enough to be out of Space Rock, IMO.Wink
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 29 2009 at 02:10
Unfortunately they're too Eclectic for Crossover. LOL
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 28 2009 at 14:59
Originally posted by Mr ProgFreak Mr ProgFreak wrote:

^ Well, then I submit that PT - even on their latest albums - use elements of Psych/Space Rock, Heavy Prog, Crossover Prog and Avant-Prog.Smile


And I think due to the mainstream elements it's better suited to Crossover than Eclectic (for me they're significant enough).
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 28 2009 at 14:47
^ Well, then I submit that PT - even on their latest albums - use elements of Psych/Space Rock, Heavy Prog, Crossover Prog and Avant-Prog.Smile
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 28 2009 at 14:23
In a rather simplistic way, Eclectic means having a broad (or varied) range of Prog styles (having elements typical of various categories here) while not being dominantly any one of them.  When it has significant mainstream elements, those tend to get passed on to Crossover. I often think in terms of suitability for the old Art Rock category first, and then narrow down from there.

Edited by Logan - September 28 2009 at 14:24
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 28 2009 at 14:10
^ Are there specific elements that would suggest eclectic? I used to think that "eclectic" simply means that they use a broad range of styles.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 28 2009 at 13:59
my two humble cents:

early recordings fit to psych/space rock as many have stated before me. Signify onwards they fit best to Heavy Prog and I can't really see any obvious eclectic (as I interpret it) elements in their sound whatsoever. As Logan and Epignosis implied above, they do resemble to crossover nowadays...
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 26 2009 at 18:32
^ well exactly. No band can be moved unless both teams agree.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 26 2009 at 16:47
Indeed. As I said at first: As long as HP feels they belong where they are, they will stay there.

There's no sense in moving a band about as long as the team keeping track of the genre in question doesn't have a problem with the band being there.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 26 2009 at 16:38
Originally posted by inrainbows inrainbows wrote:

Originally posted by A Person A Person wrote:

Originally posted by Windhawk Windhawk wrote:

As long as HP feels they belong where they are, they will stay.

If HP would like to move the band, Neo wouldn't mind having them. Read the last three or so paragraphs of the revised Neo definition to see why.

I think that Neo would suit them better than eclectic, or HP for that matter.


I don't think so, not even close, can't they stay where they are ? Please ....
They're great , so what's the point for moving them?Shocked


Exactly. PT is fine where they are, and there's no sense in moving them.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 26 2009 at 16:25
Originally posted by A Person A Person wrote:

Originally posted by Windhawk Windhawk wrote:

As long as HP feels they belong where they are, they will stay.

If HP would like to move the band, Neo wouldn't mind having them. Read the last three or so paragraphs of the revised Neo definition to see why.

I think that Neo would suit them better than eclectic, or HP for that matter.


I don't think so, not even close, can't they stay where they are ? Please ....
They're great , so what's the point for moving them?Shocked


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 26 2009 at 14:52
Nope. They fit fine in Heavy Prog. They might be prog metal if we're pushing it, but they're fine where they are. As for eclectic or neo, not even close.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 26 2009 at 14:24
I could never see them in Neo ... they're far too experimental.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 26 2009 at 14:16
Originally posted by Windhawk Windhawk wrote:

As long as HP feels they belong where they are, they will stay.

If HP would like to move the band, Neo wouldn't mind having them. Read the last three or so paragraphs of the revised Neo definition to see why.

I think that Neo would suit them better than eclectic, or HP for that matter.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 25 2009 at 23:30
Originally posted by Raff Raff wrote:

Originally posted by p0mt3 p0mt3 wrote:



Not that I totally disagree, Raff, but please keep in mind that we are probably the largest and most well-known Prog site on the net right now, and anybody who puts us down for one reason or another is most likely the fox grumbling about the sour grapes. I'm willing to bet that most complaints about this site comes from many people who have started trouble here, then gotten banned. There is no logical reason to dislike a website such as this one, since its main purpose is to be an indepth, resourceful archive, and I think we do that better than anyone.

Any other problems a person may have with us is not a good enough reason to stop coming here.



Just for the record: the people who post at ProgEars are not the kind of people who would get banned, here or otherwise. The general membership there is made up of older prog fans, some of whom have grown up with the genre, much as I have, and who are into discussing music. As to PA being well-known, well... I am sorry to have to disabuse you, but when Micky and I went to NEARfest in June, we met quite a lot of blank stares from the people to whom we mentioned PA.

I don't believe it is fair to say that those who don't like the site do so because of sour grapes. Personally, I think that a continuous flow of destructive criticism is a bad thing, but denying the existence of problems that may drive people away (I know, because I have left on several occasions) is equally damaging. In my humble opinion, when on an 'in-depth, resourceful archive' there are still many missing or inadequate bios, unreviewed albums, and incomplete album data, there is more reason for worry than the placement of Porcupine Tree or whatever.



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Alrighty, then.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 25 2009 at 06:13
Originally posted by p0mt3 p0mt3 wrote:



Not that I totally disagree, Raff, but please keep in mind that we are probably the largest and most well-known Prog site on the net right now, and anybody who puts us down for one reason or another is most likely the fox grumbling about the sour grapes. I'm willing to bet that most complaints about this site comes from many people who have started trouble here, then gotten banned. There is no logical reason to dislike a website such as this one, since its main purpose is to be an indepth, resourceful archive, and I think we do that better than anyone.

Any other problems a person may have with us is not a good enough reason to stop coming here.



Just for the record: the people who post at ProgEars are not the kind of people who would get banned, here or otherwise. The general membership there is made up of older prog fans, some of whom have grown up with the genre, much as I have, and who are into discussing music. As to PA being well-known, well... I am sorry to have to disabuse you, but when Micky and I went to NEARfest in June, we met quite a lot of blank stares from the people to whom we mentioned PA.

I don't believe it is fair to say that those who don't like the site do so because of sour grapes. Personally, I think that a continuous flow of destructive criticism is a bad thing, but denying the existence of problems that may drive people away (I know, because I have left on several occasions) is equally damaging. In my humble opinion, when on an 'in-depth, resourceful archive' there are still many missing or inadequate bios, unreviewed albums, and incomplete album data, there is more reason for worry than the placement of Porcupine Tree or whatever.



fixed quote box.


Edited by Tony R - September 25 2009 at 07:48
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 25 2009 at 02:27
As long as HP feels they belong where they are, they will stay.

If HP would like to move the band, Neo wouldn't mind having them. Read the last three or so paragraphs of the revised Neo definition to see why.
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