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Mandrakeroot 
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Italian Prog Specialist Joined: March 01 2006 Location: San Foca, Friûl Status: Offline Points: 5851 |
 Topic: I love Italian Prog!!!Posted: January 21 2009 at 11:17 |
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In fact my project is the creation of some articles... One day!!!
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Alberto Muñoz
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Posted: January 21 2009 at 09:50 |
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Andrea i support your idea about realizing studies about historical concepts and context about RPI and also the Battiato study.
Also i would like to add if we can discuss the techniques of playing, the lyrics and the departures of certain key members of RPI.
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Mandrakeroot
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Italian Prog Specialist Joined: March 01 2006 Location: San Foca, Friûl Status: Offline Points: 5851 |
Posted: January 21 2009 at 09:48 |
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Well... You're right... I do too often take certain things for granted... I will provide a remedy in the future! |
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Mandrakeroot
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Italian Prog Specialist Joined: March 01 2006 Location: San Foca, Friûl Status: Offline Points: 5851 |
Posted: January 21 2009 at 09:45 |
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This thread was born as article / blog and I did not understand because it was moved to this section...
Personally, this thread should be used to discuss the technique and historical context of the RPI/ IP and the other should be used for the promotion of RP / IP.
But I'm noticing a tendency to censor what I do outside of the reviews... I added here those review because I wanted a start a study to Franco Battiato thought.
Clearly if the admin wanted to close this thread, I would not have problems with this decision. I regret only that this thread was not born for this section of the forum and that it has been moved in this forum section. |
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micky
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Posted: January 20 2009 at 17:53 |
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interesting post....
that Bush still had 22% of wackos here thinking he was doing a good job...  oh... that... not funny... but something the site correctly identified. What came out of Italy is quite unique. In a nutshell.. instead of classicalizing (© Micky 2009) rock music as many commonly see 'prog' like the english did. The italians went at it ass backward.. since before the dawn of the 'prog' era... that country had NO rock tradition at all... that is why what we call prog here on this site.. was called pop music there. They dumbed down classical forms to the rock format instead of having a bunch of upper class English kids taking Classical to the unwashed masses. It was just an extension of what they had always been listening to... an extention of that countries 'pop' music. Just amped up and synth'd out. Edited by micky - January 20 2009 at 17:57 |
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The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip
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Alberto Muñoz
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Posted: January 20 2009 at 17:48 |
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For me it's the same if we have one or multiple threads about Italian Prog, as long we still talk about this wonderful music!!!
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NotAProghead
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Posted: January 20 2009 at 17:43 |
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Andrea, what you think about mine and Micky's posts?
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Who are you and who am I to say we know the reason why... (D. Gilmour)
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micky
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Posted: January 20 2009 at 17:34 |
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if it's different... I'm all for it. I don't think we need two Italian threads in the 'genre appreciation' area. The existing one has long been the place where people have come to discuss and promote. To split is to dilute it for the part time visitors. Like me... I just saw the damn thing. I'm not around much as I used to be. |
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The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip
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NotAProghead
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Posted: January 20 2009 at 17:19 |
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Micky, I already asked this question to Andrea.
His answer was: "All Prog From italy' thread was created in order to promote all the RPI and IP. This thread was created because I wanted to explain certain things about my meter trial in reviews in the past been criticized for the very high valuations". As I understand, Adnrea wants a more personal thread. Why not? I think it's not necessary to close this thread, but Andrea should think how to make it different (I see now he posts the same reviews in both threads).
Edited by NotAProghead - January 20 2009 at 17:46 |
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Who are you and who am I to say we know the reason why... (D. Gilmour)
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The Pessimist
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Posted: January 20 2009 at 17:17 |
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That's it, you've convinced me! I'm now going to give in to temptation and buy some PFM. Good decision do you all think? Stupid question really
It better be good  |
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"Market value is irrelevant to intrinsic value."
Arnold Schoenberg |
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micky
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Posted: January 20 2009 at 16:56 |
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aaahh... why do we have two threads on pretty much the same topic.. in the same area.
admins... can we close this. |
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The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip
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Mandrakeroot
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Italian Prog Specialist Joined: March 01 2006 Location: San Foca, Friûl Status: Offline Points: 5851 |
Posted: January 20 2009 at 10:30 |
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Yes, this is another good album for a easy Battiato's approach. I think that this album be one of the best Italian all time best live albums!!!
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Raff
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Posted: January 20 2009 at 10:28 |
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Personally, I would recommend his live album Giubbe Rosse (1989), which includes both his 'pop-prog' hits and a few of his Seventies classics, like "Sequenze e Frequenze" . Micky reviewed it, as did Andrea P., capturing the essence of the album.
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Alberto Muñoz
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Posted: January 20 2009 at 10:19 |
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I'm curious about you say Andrea, please tell me ¿In albums how do you do to rate at first for a neophyte to introduce to the superb world of Franco Battiato?
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Mandrakeroot
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Italian Prog Specialist Joined: March 01 2006 Location: San Foca, Friûl Status: Offline Points: 5851 |
Posted: January 20 2009 at 05:27 |
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All true. But it is better to start with a compilation like 'Gli Anno 70' to understand Franco Battiato in the 70's, in my opinion. A direct approach with his 70's albums can be traumatic for many minds. By Franco Battiato is better to go step by step. Then everyone is free to take a personal approach with Franco battiato. But for me what I have described is the best approach. |
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Mandrakeroot
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Italian Prog Specialist Joined: March 01 2006 Location: San Foca, Friûl Status: Offline Points: 5851 |
Posted: January 20 2009 at 05:22 |
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As you have written deserves a careful study. But I will say only that it is better that you leave the audience of Prog because you did not understand what it is!
Even so, I say to you without the bitterness... It is clear... As you have written... It is not only true for the Italian Prog... But for all the forms of prog music. Do you believe that Symphony X have not plundered the classical music? They, without that looting would not be even a Power Metal band... And I am sincere. As you wrote... As you will be studied to understand even simple Folk Rock! |
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NotAProghead
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Posted: January 19 2009 at 17:34 |
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Andrea, being a little familiar with Battiato's works, I understand what you are talking about, I see your passion and emotions.
But it seems to me it's not so easy for newcomers to get from your reviews the idea what the music of Franco Battiato is. Please keep this in mind in future. I believe you, being native Italian speaker, can tell us more and explain some things most of us can't understand because of language barrier. Good luck!  P.S. Battiato is one of the greatest Italian artists, but I must confess Fabrizio De Andre' means much more to me, though it's a matter of taste and another story
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Who are you and who am I to say we know the reason why... (D. Gilmour)
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inrainbows
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Posted: January 19 2009 at 16:45 |
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I'm not Italian, but I'm in the same mood with you about Italian music and of course I totally agree with your issues.
I would say "Fetus", "Pollution" and "Sulle corde di Aries", as a start , and Battiatos' highest moments.(IMO) |
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rosenbach
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Posted: January 19 2009 at 15:56 |
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That's what i meant by classics (or famous albums as you say), unfortunately there are lots of great albums that have never been released on cd. Of course I'm not an italian prog specialist, but i enjoy what i've heard. Edited by rosenbach - January 19 2009 at 15:58 |
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moshkito
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Posted: January 19 2009 at 14:12 |
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Hi,
You know what's funny?
Italian "prog" ... is less inspired by "prog" music ... than it is by Classical Music ... which is a far better expose and field for experimentation and use of electric instruments than most other folks would give it credit for ...
- PFM;
- New Trolls;
- Banco Mutuo Soccorso;
- Area;
- Franco Battiato;
- Goblin
I can add
- Reale Academie the Musica (spelling)
- Uno (had a Hipgnosis cover too!)
- Aqua Fragile
and many others .... the spelling of which might be embarassing ....
Other than Franco Battiato who was really showing his more experimental side on his albums, I would say that there is very little "prog" ... here ... in fact, I like to state unequivocally that many of our so-called "prog" folks had a lot of classical music training ... and their main desire, in my opinion, is to make their mark and be felt as a presence and an "age" for music historians to add to their books ... and I think that is a valid attempt, and there are some lovely names and works that belong ... and some over rated (and over played) examples that don't!
The most special of all these for me, is BANCO ... it was a real shame that they were on Manticore ... who may have had a hand in helping them in America ... but the group had to spend the money instead on making sure their age'ing heroes could show a flash on the stage ... !!! To me ... more than anything else ... this only shows that it was not about the "music" ... it was about the something else ... and there are times when you have to explode on the stage to get someone's attention ... I understand that ... but when you have it ... all I can ask is ... what are you trying to prove? That you can flip pianos and organs better than anyone?
BANCO, by very far, was much more musically strong and had a most amazing series of albums ... the main issue that it had against it, was trying to sell it to an English speaking market ... fer crying out loud ... are you saying that a band that sings in Venusian Fosphate dialec isn't good, and can't be prog? Bollocks!
And the meaning of the word and term needs to be re-evaluated!
PFM is also very nice, and worth it in my book for the most part. I was really sad when they took on Aqua Fragile's singer who was very strong there, and dumped their great melodies and anti-melodies for something else ... and killed another good band in the process. Somehow after that PFM just did not have the far out stuff they did in "Storia" or even "World Became the World" (both Italian and English versions are excellent although some of the translations are really bad ... I mean AWFUL.
I still have not replaced most of these LP's .... |
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Alberto Muñoz wrote:
O.k., this is is only a good compilation about EMI's Avant Garde POP Battiato's songs. But veru good. Because part of a series of CD named 'D.O.C. (Dischi di Origine Controllata)' (In English: 'D.C.O. (Disc with Controlled Origin)') this isn't a true 'The Best Of...' but the quality is the same quality!
My review is produced using this release: BMG Ricordi S.p.A. 74321602622
