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    Posted: November 30 2008 at 07:48
Originally posted by micky micky wrote:

nice thread/post Alberto...

*shameless self-promotion*

think I expressed my feelings on the album perfectly in my review of it.

It is everything we love prog for.. and as such...  one of the greatest of all prog albums.. going  past close to edge.. and finding prog nirvana.

It can be said to be the high-water mark of prog.. at least the classic era... just how do you top that album.. not just Yes?.. anyone?... easy.. you can't... and no one did. 


Pfeh. Add in a bit of songwriting :p

I agree it's a fantastic album in some ways, especially The Ancient, but at the same time I don't really know what to think.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 30 2008 at 07:23
I've never been able to decide whether I like "Tales from Topographic Oceans" or not. I've listened to it several times, I've had the vinyl version, the first CD verson, and the latest CD version and although the latest CD version definitely sounds the best, I think this record is in pretty desperate need of a complete remix from the ground up. There is just too much compression in the mix for the album to take me anywhere. The thing is, I *want* this album to kick my ass, but it simply doesn't, and I really think it's the mix that holds it back. I don't think it's a *bad* record, but with some tweaking it could sound a lot better.

I still haven't decided how I really feel about this record (whether I actually like the music or not), after 20 years of listening to it Disapprove
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 30 2008 at 05:36
Originally posted by micky micky wrote:

damn... you did it Alberto.... putting the album  on...  but starting with the mighty Ancient. SO much better than people give it credit for... then again... I must admit.. I HATED it at first... but one day.. it just clicked.  Now ... it is an essential Yes track for me.
Exactly - it's not necessarily an "Instant Hit" - it takes time to appreciate a masterpiece,
 
Excuse me while I quote this post from a long-lost thread:
Originally posted by DarqDean DarqDean wrote:

Originally posted by micky micky wrote:

Dean -  reading your post, the part I bolded... an album comes immediately to mind.  Some think Yes were guilty of doing just that... others.. see it completely differently.  What do you think.  To some it is a the most glaring example of doing just what you say prog bands would not do.. which.. I agree completely with you that they wouldn't.  Anderson and Howe were not  just throwing sh*t on the wall to fill 2 Lp's... but unbelievable ...some do actually think they did.  That the driving concern.. was not the music... creating a sonic painting.. but meerly trying to fill out the album from a limited pot of musical ideas. 

So what do you think Dean.. is TFTO the 'classic' equilvalent to the chronal outrages heeped upon us by modern prog groups. LOL
Ha. Got me. LOL
 
I missed Tales From Topographic Oceans when it first came out because I couldn't afford it on my meager apprentice's pay. So for me it came after Relayer, not Close To The Edit Edge, which I think set me up better to take an instant liking to it, eventhough by then it's notoriety of being pretentious and inpenitrable was well known, but it didn't - it took a while.
 
I think it is paced and balanced perfectly, I don't like pieces of music that are crammed full of musical ideas that don't link together, I like ones that grow and develop - at a minimalistic level that's what Phillip Glass and Steve Reich do, at a more complex level that's what Mike Oldfield did on his pastoral pieces and that's what Tangerine Dream do best, damit - that's even what Echoes is all about.
 
And I think that TFTO achieves that, whether by accident or design I'm not sure - is the "padding" a band bereft of ideas or is it a carefully crafted aural landscape (echoing Roger Dean's cover painting, which is also a "constructed" landscape collaged together from different ideas from himself and each band member) - I'm inclined to think it is the later, I think Anderson and Howe (and Eddie Offord) are wise enough and sharp enough to realise that, but I honestly don't think it matters either way because it works.
 
If you're setting off for a marathon you don't want to do the whole thing at a frantic sprint, so if TFTO were the equivalent of an 80 minute Gates of Delirium then I think listener fatigue would have set in very rapidly and all the critisisms would be justified, but as it is you don't get that (at least I don't, but maybe I have an abnormally high attention span). Stick this on your iPod and play it from beginning to end without the unwanted excercise-break where you have to get up and flip over the LP or change the CD and it can keep your attention without your mind wandering anywhere excpet where the music takes you, especially with the up-lift you get from hearing Nous Sommes du Soleil at the end of the journey.
 
My only crit of the whole thing is for the remastered CD - the two extra versions of Dance and Ancient are unnecessary and spoil Ritial's perfect ending.
 
So to answer your question (finally!) Yes No - modern bands seem to take this as the blue-print of what not to do, whereas it should be the master-plan of how to do things right.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 30 2008 at 03:44
When I started exploring Prog a few years ago I decided to avoid the music of Genesis and Yes, so I could focus on the less obvious bands (for example I've recently got into PFM).
Yesterday I found a copy of Tales Of Topographic Oceans for £1, so decided it's time to dip in and have my first ever listen to a Yes album.

So far I've only played side one (at first I thought it was playing at the wrong speed!) - it's just finished a couple of minutes ago, and I can't remember any tunes. 

Maybe side two will be better

edit: it's better Smile


Edited by Stool Man - November 30 2008 at 04:07
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 20 2008 at 17:59
damn... you did it Alberto.... putting the album  on...  but starting with the mighty Ancient. SO much better than people give it credit for... then again... I must admit.. I HATED it at first... but one day.. it just clicked.  Now ... it is an essential Yes track for me.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 20 2008 at 17:54
What strike me of this album is  about the minute 19:00 two 22:00 more of less, in the song  Revealing... when suddendly the group stars a fast tempo and playing superb!! with Howe playing his guitar in a very good rthym way and Wakeman doing a little but groundbreaking solo. 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 20 2008 at 17:38
yes, in a way.. like symbolism
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 20 2008 at 17:20
Originally posted by Atavachron Atavachron wrote:

it may be more of an evocation by the writer, an image.. kinda like the 'Bluegrass Hippie' or 'Beard-stroking Jazz fan'



 
Thanks for the aclaration... is like a allegory, no?




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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 20 2008 at 17:12
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 20 2008 at 16:52
^ Clap  very true...
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 20 2008 at 16:49
it may be more of an evocation by the writer, an image.. kinda like the 'Bluegrass Hippie' or 'Beard-stroking Jazz fan'



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 20 2008 at 16:37
Maybe he thinks that Ayers, Caravan, et al, were marxist... hahaha.
That's right  doesn't really make sense... but i will do a research for that Approve 




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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 20 2008 at 16:31
Originally posted by zafreth zafreth wrote:

Originally posted by zafreth zafreth wrote:

 

; only the die-hard Canterbury Marxist, resenting the commercial success of the album, will challenge such a claim. 

Can someone explain to me this Marxist reference??Confused


obviously some play on.. though it doesn't really make sense ... the commericialism is a evil thing. Exploitation ..by the artists of the public.. or of the artists by the record company.

not sure.. a bit out of left field there hahah
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 20 2008 at 16:25
Originally posted by NaturalScience NaturalScience wrote:


Send me a PM of what Mick paid you to post this.  Wink
 
hahahaha, only his wonderful reviews, hahahahaBig%20smile




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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 20 2008 at 16:23
Originally posted by zafreth zafreth wrote:

 

; only the die-hard Canterbury Marxist, resenting the commercial success of the album, will challenge such a claim. 

Can someone explain to me this Marxist reference??Confused




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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 20 2008 at 16:23
hahahhaha.. money?  pfffff.... .. sent him a picture of me in drag... making good use of that cute ass of mine LOL
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 20 2008 at 16:21
Originally posted by zafreth zafreth wrote:

Thanks Micky as always you are a good friend (as i consider you) and also a great connoseiur of Progressive  Rock.


Send me a PM of what Mick paid you to post this.  Wink
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 20 2008 at 16:19
Originally posted by zafreth zafreth wrote:

Thanks Micky as always you are a good friend (as i consider you) and also a great connoseiur of Progressive  Rock.


Embarrassed  thanks...
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 20 2008 at 16:15
Originally posted by Atavachron Atavachron wrote:

yumm... the dark chocolate of 70s prog
Like a Hersey's one !!!




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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 20 2008 at 16:13
Originally posted by Fragile Fragile wrote:

 
 
When Tales came out I played it constantly.Every day the vinyl came out and everyday I discovered another great melody,another great hook line,another set of lyrics that I loved and tried to decipher.
 
The musicianship was outstanding, Howe's Guitar soared and pierced the air. I was dragged along by the diversity of his playing,by his wonderful God given talent.Alan White powered his way across the tapestry of Topographic Oceans.Chris White played bass like a man possessed and Jon's beauty and clarity of voice rang out loud and clear.Rick played but obviously had no great imput.
 
The four sides had mesmerising parts that danced in my head and every day I thought I preferred The Revealing Science of God to Ritual,Ancient to the Remembering and each to the other.
 
It is a masterpiece that fell foul to the first rumblings amongst the mal contents in the British Rock Press.They focused on Tales by tearing it apart and yet they adored Dark Side of the Moon.
 
That always severely peed me off.Floyd were the darlings of the press,Yes were to become a Pariah.
 
Yes will always be my favourite band .They offered me more than any other could and this magnificent offering had everything a good prog boy could desire.
 
Yes's Sergeant Pepper is what it should have been.It remains to this day a remarkabley crafted piece of music and one I shall continue to play and play as testament to the collective brilliance of the most innovative of Prog's founding bands.
 
Tales From Topographic Oceans a true Prog Gem.
 
Yeah Fragile you are right and i remember when i was able to read some of this album and the press always foul Yes in favour of others.
Cheers and thank you for your opinion!!! 




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