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Slartibartfast
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Topic: John Coltrane to be added to PA Posted: August 19 2008 at 12:32 |
Seems to me like Coltrane and Davis define the line that should be drawn between a prog archive artist and simply a great jazz artist. But I profess I need to know Coltrane better.
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debrewguy
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Posted: August 19 2008 at 12:13 |
Died before jazz fusion was sliver in music's eye; influence could stretch back and include (check your prog icons' hero lists) Bach Beethoven and the boys, Robert Johnson, Dylan (both Bob and Thomas), Lewis Carroll, Owsley (LSD maker), Star Trek, Mary Jane, Chet Atkins, and I could go on; died before prog was a rock journalist's tag; no, I won't go on ...
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Posted: August 18 2008 at 21:16 |
cacho wrote:
Rocktopus wrote:
Wayne Shorter, Herbie Hancock |
I agree on those too. Very Jazz/Fusion. Hancock's Head Hunters is a must to any Jazz Fusion fan. And Wayne Shorter, my dad plays a lot of them, and I really consider them fusion. |
oh they are! check out my Herbie Hancock thread suggesting him be added to the site
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Posted: August 18 2008 at 19:41 |
^ It just misses the rock part.
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Posted: August 18 2008 at 17:04 |
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I always found Giant Steps very prog
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Atavachron
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Posted: August 18 2008 at 17:01 |
I always found Giant Steps very prog
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The Quiet One
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Posted: August 18 2008 at 17:00 |
Rocktopus wrote:
Wayne Shorter, Herbie Hancock |
I agree on those too. Very Jazz/Fusion. Hancock's Head Hunters is a must to any Jazz Fusion fan. And Wayne Shorter, my dad plays a lot of them, and I really consider them fusion.
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Alberto Muñoz
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Posted: August 18 2008 at 16:56 |
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As much as I love Coltrane, I don't see where he would fit on a prog rock website. His music may have been progressive jazz, but that means that we'd have to change this site to an all-inclusive progressive music one, and I don't think we should do that. The site is losing it's identity! |
Yes my friend some of ours want to get Metallica as a progressive rock group!!!
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Alberto Muñoz
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Posted: August 18 2008 at 16:54 |
Slartibartfast wrote:
Speaking as a Coltrane novice, what albums of his fit the jazz-rock/fusion category if any? He's an artist I wouldn't mind exploring further. |
His last efforts my friend, check first A Love Supreme he will blow out...
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Logan
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Posted: August 18 2008 at 16:53 |
Moatilliatta wrote:
As much as I love Coltrane, I don't see where he would fit on a prog rock website. His music may have been progressive jazz, but that means that we'd have to change this site to an all-inclusive progressive music one, and I don't think we should do that. The site is losing it's identity! |
As long as we create new categories for non-rock progressive music, then I have no problem with such inclusions. I must admit that I'd like to see this site become much more of a progressive music resource.
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Posted: August 18 2008 at 16:52 |
Logan wrote:
It's long been a dream of mine to see Coltrane in, . |
so do i ![Big%20smile](https://www.progarchives.com/forum/smileys/smiley4.gif)
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Posted: August 18 2008 at 16:50 |
Slartibartfast wrote:
Speaking as a Coltrane novice, what albums of his fit the jazz-rock/fusion category if any? He's an artist I wouldn't mind exploring further.
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He influenced jazz-rock (and jazz) and I have heard compositions of his that are similar to JRF. Really, he's a progressive jazz artist rather than a progressive jazz-rock artist. An album of his I used to really love was "A Love Supreme." Fantastic album! Some months ago on the radio I listened to a program on him and wish I'd noted the compositions -- there was one in particular that I found stunning that I hadn't known.
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Posted: August 18 2008 at 16:37 |
As much as I love Coltrane, I don't see where he would fit on a prog rock website. His music may have been progressive jazz, but that means that we'd have to change this site to an all-inclusive progressive music one, and I don't think we should do that. The site is losing it's identity!
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Slartibartfast
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Posted: August 18 2008 at 16:23 |
Speaking as a Coltrane novice, what albums of his fit the jazz-rock/fusion category if any? He's an artist I wouldn't mind exploring further.
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Posted: August 18 2008 at 14:08 |
It's long been a dream of mine to see Coltrane in, but alas, he doesn't fit the site yet. New categories would mean new opportunities for non-Prog progressive artists/ bands.
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Posted: August 17 2008 at 04:16 |
Yes yes yes, then let's add Glenn Miller!
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Posted: August 16 2008 at 23:43 |
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woooo! lets get a team going! [/QUOTE]
Well i have three huge and great book of all things jazz and related, maybe i can begin doing some sort of biographies...
i'm willing to do a mirror site called jazz archives.
any other ideas/support.
[/QUOTE] i would like to do this, but i dont know anything about making a website, and my technical knowledge of related things is very limited. we would need someone (like M@x or similar people) to start it up. However, my knowledge of jazz and anything related in vast, and i would not mind spending a good portion of my time on making it a complete site (which would take time, jazz is vast, and even this site is not complete) maybe people like Dick Heath or mr70s or anyone else who'd be interested could help too. We should have a separate thread for this. Which would be the best place to start a new thread? General Discussions??
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Posted: August 16 2008 at 15:47 |
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[/QUOTE] woooo! lets get a team going! [/QUOTE]
Well i have three huge and great book of all things jazz and related, maybe i can begin doing some sort of biographies...
i'm willing to do a mirror site called jazz archives.
any other ideas/support.
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Posted: August 16 2008 at 15:43 |
zafreth wrote:
micky wrote:
well start a thread on them ![LOL](smileys/smiley36.gif)
anyhow.. .hopefully you all see where I am coming from with Brubeck.. sure you all can name a bunch of examples of other artists... but as posted in reference to Coltrane. If proto is to be expanded (and it should to include groups and artists that REALLY did influence.. not just artists.. but what was to become prog) .. it needs to start with Brubeck.
I'm out.. Raff just got home and have lots of catching up to do with her.....
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Micky, totally agree with you but... up to John Coltrane!!!! |
personally... I think Coltrane could have a place in one of the non-prog subs . but I think not until after a good long list of those who really did make an impact on all of prog.. not just a particular segment on it. Not to diminish Coltrane in the least.. give another couple of years.. god knows what he might have done.. but the fact is a fact... he didn't.
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Posted: August 16 2008 at 15:28 |
zafreth wrote:
darkshade wrote:
a No for me, in terms of Coltrane being added to the site. Herbie Hancock is more likely to be added. However, i saw this thread coming, and kind of knew most people would be against it. I'm not going to repeat what everyone else has already said as to why he wont make it.
Jazz Archives should be an extension of Prog Archives, almost a sibling website. haha. I would help in its creation if anyone want to help take up the task!
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Dark shade Count me in to support!!
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woooo! lets get a team going! btw i think Coltrane would have done jazz-rock had he lived at least 5 more years. THAT would have been some interesting music, considering the direction he was going before he died. Maybe "avant-guard free funk"?
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