Muse-Wrapped Discussion

BTW: is muse-wrapped really out of business (as the other vendor claimed)? The website says some BS about "offline while we continue our evolution".

Hi.New one here but long time Kansas(Walsh) Fan.U know what? And i don't really care about all these new "Songs Protected Gizzmo" as i don't do any Music piracy.When an artist like Mr Wash Lauching an album, i for myself just " BUY IT" and 'what will be will be'.Come on! F G"$$'d SAKES! These guys deserved all of it! My 2cents worth.

garrett wrote: Signed, His mother...

  I like you already!

Wrath_of_Ninian wrote: Garion81 wrote: [QUOTE=Wrath_of_Ninian] To be perfectly honest, I am quite happy with the way I discover music through reading reviews written by people who care, and through listening to sample TRACKS (not 45 sec samples - what would your sample be for Close To The Edge?  Or Tubular Bells?  Supper's Ready?)   I have to say this method of discovery will remain the same, as will my purchase of such music through legitimate means.        With no Radio airplay how do you expect to hear them?  As for buying sample tracks(which is what I am guessing Muse is doing)  I would rather buy satellite radio which would at least give you a variety of music for a very low monthly price by comparison. I have purchased many copies of many records and CD 's over the years. For my favorite bands i have purchased multiple copies of the same package Ie Album, First CD release, Digital master Release, Digital Master release with bonus tracks etc.   Sorry Garion, not really sure what you are getting at there.  What I meant was that I discover new music by listening to FREE sample tracks off Progarchives and reading the reviews of the albums.  I've been introduced to numerous new acts through these means, and have gone on to purchase many CDs (most recently Paatos and Genesis) which I now cherish. From what I gather, Muse-wrap offer 45-second samples of certain songs as a taster, and I was merely suggesting (as others did before me) that for prog rock music this is a nonsense.  I'm a bit worried that the new 'partnership' will see the end of Progarchives free samples in favour of Muse-Wrap's new pay-as-you-go system. By the way, you can listen to prog digital stations via Progarchives too - no need to buy a digital radio.  Just download Realplayer for free and log on.  They're pretty good too.

 

Well I was agreeing with you on one hand and putting down the concept of paying for preview tracks on the other as it sounded like Muse was/is doing.  Your comment on the colaboration is valid along the same line.  I just didn't articulate the thought properly. 

I know about prog radio but you need to be near a computer to hear it (Streaming media is blocked at work).  I spend more time in my car where satellite radio would be an advantage.

 

 

 

Garion81 wrote: [QUOTE=Wrath_of_Ninian] To be perfectly honest, I am quite happy with the way I discover music through reading reviews written by people who care, and through listening to sample TRACKS (not 45 sec samples - what would your sample be for Close To The Edge?  Or Tubular Bells?  Supper's Ready?)   I have to say this method of discovery will remain the same, as will my purchase of such music through legitimate means.

 

With no Radio airplay how do you expect to hear them?  As for buying sample tracks(which is what I am guessing Muse is doing)  I would rather buy satellite radio which would at least give you a variety of music for a very low monthly price by comparison. I have purchased many copies of many records and CD 's over the years. For my favorite bands i have purchased multiple copies of the same package Ie Album, First CD release, Digital master Release, Digital Master release with bonus tracks etc.

 

Sorry Garion, not really sure what you are getting at there.  What I meant was that I discover new music by listening to FREE sample tracks off Progarchives and reading the reviews of the albums.  I've been introduced to numerous new acts through these means, and have gone on to purchase many CDs (most recently Paatos and Genesis) which I now cherish. From what I gather, Muse-wrap offer 45-second samples of certain songs as a taster, and I was merely suggesting (as others did before me) that for prog rock music this is a nonsense.  I'm a bit worried that the new 'partnership' will see the end of Progarchives free samples in favour of Muse-Wrap's new pay-as-you-go system.

By the way, you can listen to prog digital stations via Progarchives too - no need to buy a digital radio.  Just download Realplayer for free and log on.  They're pretty good too. 

Maybe I'm missing something here, and apologies if I am. But what is the audio quality of these tracks ?. wma doesn't have the best of reputations, and not just because of the entangled security devices.

garrett wrote: Man Overboard wrote: 45-second-samples for prog?  Hah!     Good point!    I suppose the reality of server space kicked in. But 45 seconds is pretty good all things considered.

Actually, 45 seconds doesn't give you a clue where a reasonable piece of prog is concerned.

It's not like pop music, where once you've heard the verse and chorus then that's it.

 

 

I'd like to go back to that deeply flawed analogy of giving everyone your PIN number, my point in which I thought might be contested:

Once I have a piece of music in recorded format, I can then record it to mp3 very easily - through analogue means if necessary - and circumvent any DRM with ease, then distribute said mp3 among my friends.

DRM is a pain in the arse - nothing more, nothing less. It makes the process of copying more of a chore, (except on Linux-enabled computers ), but cannot prevent it. In fact, it will more likely encourage it, as someone who has circumvented it will pass unDRM'ed copies among their friends, who don't want the bother either.

In short, it will stop people copying music in the same way the audio cassette did.

 

 

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The DRM topic regarding Muse-Wrapped is one of the few debates that can actually be resolved by anyone interested in doing so. Just go to the site and check it out for yourselves. Give it a twirl, if you don't like it, great. If you do like, great. Everyone gets to decide for themselves and everyone will be right. At least this isn't one of those endless "Best 5 prog singers" type of topics.

 

That would more than do the trick.  But you saw what happened when I suggested considering an alternative to DRM WMA files.  

If I'm not mistaken, the Fair Use act should allow me to make MP3s...  the DMCA says you can't break copyprotection in the act of making your backup, but since the option to burn a CD is there, it's not circumventing it, I think.

Am I wrong in this?  I just made my MP3 copy.

Following the Fair Use act, I've made a CD compilation of the following albums for my MP3 CD player:

Abydos - Abydos
Pain Of Salvation - Be
Cynic - Focus (remastered and expanded)
HIM - Love Metal
Magellan - Symphony For A Misanthrope
Arena - Pepper's Ghost
Winds - The Imaginary Direction Of Time
Pat Mastelotto - XtracKcts & ArtifaKcts

All albums I have purchased and not pirated.  This CD will keep me entertained on the dreadful 8 hour bus ride I'm taking tomorrow.  It's very convenient that I can take a 25-cent CDr containing high-bitrate MP3 copies of albums I'd rather not risk losing, and it's nice that I can fit them onto a single disc.

Long live the Fair Use Act!  Let us continue to enjoy our freedoms responsibly.

...I just read that there will be a bonus track for Magellan's SFaM's store release...  looks like I'll be buying a second copy again...    I'm not the person that artists should be upset with.  I'm the big prog dork who pre-orders albums, blind-buys several CDs every time I go to the store (I try to keep this down to once a week or so...), often purchases second copies to get bonus tracks or other goodies, supports bands even when they falter (I own every Kansas album ever made!  That of course includes Drastic Measures ), does what he can to get other people into prog, buys the concert DVDs, goes to the shows, buys the merchandise...

...rather than targeting me for my 'misanthropy' towards DRM, I dunno.  If you saw my room, you'd laugh.  On my desk right now are 3 King Crimson DVDs, a Spiral Architect CD, two King Crimson CDs, a softcore male porn DVD (whoops!), a pack of cigarettes, some beer bottles, a woefully-thin wallet, drained by my love for prog...  errr, maybe I should've just stuck to my music-related items. 

Edit:  I reread Trent's post.  Is he seriously accusing me of piracy?  That's f**king ridiculous.  I AM the one evangelizing prog music, and even though I've got misgivings with DRM itself, I've pointed many people towards the site.  *sighs*  It's not every day one gets chewed out by one of his heroes.


Edited by Man Overboard