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Time Signature 
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Posted: September 19 2007 at 06:13 |
 debrewguy wrote:
Well, it would piss off those who insist that exotic tempos & time measures are a way of identifying prog  .
But then we would have to add thousands of old blues masters who, as they were used to playing solo on guitar, didn't always follow the 12 bar rule ( John Lee Hooker, anyone)
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Well, in the end prog is probably not even a genre as such.
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Posted: September 18 2007 at 19:26 |
Well, it would piss off those who insist that exotic tempos & time measures are a way of identifying prog . But then we would have to add thousands of old blues masters who, as they were used to playing solo on guitar, didn't always follow the 12 bar rule ( John Lee Hooker, anyone)
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Posted: September 15 2007 at 12:37 |
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It seems more like pop with a proggy twist to it.
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Posted: September 15 2007 at 05:04 |
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What a boring song...anyway it's not that prog...
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Posted: September 15 2007 at 04:21 |
Man Overboard wrote:
Odd time doesn't necessarily mean prog. Outkast's "Hey Ya" can be loosely argued to be 11/8 (Five measures of 4/4 with a cut time measure immediately following). Hilary Duff had a song that had a bridge in 15 or something like that. Shall we include them in the archives? |
Go ahead. I don't care. 
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Posted: September 15 2007 at 01:40 |
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I think Garion81's on to it. In its proper context I'd be happy to argue for 'Turn It On Again's progressiveness.
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Posted: September 15 2007 at 01:12 |
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Wow, it's weird that this post came up today. I was reading the Sports Guy on espn.com, and he was thrilled that Ford or GMC (I can't remember which) had picked up Turn it on Again for its large truck line. He personally thanked Genesis for selling the rights. I don't know who else reads TSG, but he has an army of readers, and maybe they'll give Genesis some more respect.
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Posted: September 14 2007 at 23:46 |
Man Overboard wrote:
Odd time doesn't necessarily mean prog. Outkast's "Hey Ya" can be loosely argued to be 11/8 (Five measures of 4/4 with a cut time measure immediately following). Hilary Duff had a song that had a bridge in 15 or something like that. Shall we include them in the archives? |
I'm preparing the additions as we speak...to be followed by Green Day, they made (or I mean tried oh sooo hard to make) a concept album - grounds for automatic inclusion.
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Posted: September 14 2007 at 23:44 |
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Progressive for sure!!
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Posted: September 14 2007 at 23:19 |
Odd time doesn't necessarily mean prog. Outkast's "Hey Ya" can be loosely argued to be 11/8 (Five measures of 4/4 with a cut time measure immediately following). Hilary Duff had a song that had a bridge in 15 or something like that. Shall we include them in the archives?
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Posted: September 14 2007 at 18:09 |
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I think it's progressive. The fact that it was on the radio doesn't automatically disqualify it. Genesis the pop band still were really good at what they did. They just got older and simplified things so they could cash in a bit.
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Posted: September 14 2007 at 17:59 |
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Good song, geat creativity (for Phil collins Genesis) Prog? not so much...
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Posted: September 14 2007 at 17:25 |
Well... certainly not in the high status of works such as "The Knife" or
"The Musical Box", and "Cinema Show" or "Watcher of The Skies" -
to me this tune is Pop Rock... music for the masses.
I stopped listening to Genesis after Steve Hackett left. What's the point?
Prog? No...
A good pop tune with some tricky time sigs (for POP) yes...
Give me "Fountain of Salmacis" anyday - -
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Posted: September 14 2007 at 17:19 |
I would still categorize it as prog, although a bit watered down. The interesting time signature I don't think was ever really put in a pop song before. It doesn't have the many changes, movements, and dynamics as their previous work. I'd say it's more of a prog to pop transition piece leaning toward pop genre. But .. still was interesting and differant enough to say it had some prog properties in it.
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Posted: September 14 2007 at 17:16 |
It's the song that got me into Genesis and then into all sorts of other prog and I still rate it. It probably isn't traditionally what is thought of as prog (certainly not by early Genesis fans anyway) but it's a superbly crafted track and one of my favourites. If I ever hear the intro I immediately turn up the volume. 
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Posted: September 14 2007 at 17:03 |
To me it is prog even though it may have achieved a high position on the pop charts. The odd meter aside, it's still definitely more of the prog aesthetic than pop or classc rock.
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Posted: September 14 2007 at 16:41 |
Garion81 wrote:
Does anyone remember the fact that Turn it On would have been the center of a "Duke Suite" originally proposed by the band but scrapped because they didn't want to make it seem like they were trying to do Suppers Ready again (i am talking format not content . )
The song order would have been Behind the Lines-Dutchess-Guide Vocal-Turn it On-Dukes Travels-Dukes End. In my mind it was very progressive. It was too bad they never captured it for a live album on that 1980 tour. Or if they have it they should release it.
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Interesting, I never knew that. A Duke suite would have worked well, IMO! On-topic: Turn it On Again I really wouldn't consider prog, but it's a great pop song. Granted, it was different from most of what was being released at that time. Now, Behind the Lines, Duke's Travels, and Duke's End are three different stories.
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Posted: September 14 2007 at 16:41 |
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It's not "prog", or at least wouldn't be regarded as "prog" by most people. It's still a great song though.
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Posted: September 14 2007 at 15:50 |
explodingjosh wrote:
Time Signature wrote:
puma wrote:
The song isn't "prog", whatever that means, but it sure is in an odd time signature!
Btw it's alternating 7/4 and 6/4, there's no 13/8 anywhere in the song
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Not if you ask Phil Collins. He claims it's in 13/8. I guess it depends on whether you see it in the perspective of the drum beat or the guitar figure. |
13/8 + 13/8 = 7/4 + 6/4, So I guess it depends on how you like to count, where you find your groove. |
I see now. I guess I count half time usually, which would naturally lead to my giving it a different name. Regardless, it's a very creative chord progression, I love the song
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Posted: September 14 2007 at 14:59 |
Does anyone remember the fact that Turn it On would have been the center of a "Duke Suite" originally proposed by the band but scrapped because they didn't want to make it seem like they were trying to do Suppers Ready again (i am talking format not content . )
The song order would have been Behind the Lines-Dutchess-Guide Vocal-Turn it On-Dukes Travels-Dukes End. In my mind it was very progressive. It was too bad they never captured it for a live album on that 1980 tour. Or if they have it they should release it.
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