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Zargus
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Topic: "the book is better than the movie"... Posted: October 02 2007 at 13:48 |
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Never seen a movie that was beter then the book. I hues it dpends if you read the book first and watch the movie after or the movie first and then read the book meby, i always read the book before i see the movie, and the movies are mostly good but never as good as the book was always to much left out.
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Dean
Special Collaborator Retired Admin and Amateur Layabout Joined: May 13 2007 Location: Europe Status: Offline Points: 37575 |
Posted: October 01 2007 at 21:28 | |
I am hoping that Stardust is at least as good as the book. I've waited a long time to see a Neil Gaiman book translated to the big screen and don't want to be too disaponted. (The Dimmu Bogir track in the trailer is probably enough to keep me happy until it's released in the UK )
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Ghandi 2
Forum Senior Member Joined: February 17 2006 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 1494 |
Posted: September 28 2007 at 00:27 | |
Hey, I love Heart of Darkness! I haven't seen Apocolypse Now, but Heart of Darkness is a damn good novella.
Using I, Robot as an example of why book movies suck isn't even fair. It's not even about the book! They just got the rights to the title, somehow. Edited by Ghandi 2 - September 28 2007 at 00:29 |
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A B Negative
Forum Senior Member Joined: May 02 2006 Location: Methil Republic Status: Offline Points: 1594 |
Posted: September 27 2007 at 11:37 | |
Books are better than films for the same reason radio is better than TV: the pictures are better.
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"The disgusting stink of a too-loud electric guitar.... Now, that's my idea of a good time."
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Man Overboard
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Posted: September 21 2007 at 13:42 | |
I didn't say they were objectively bad because they didn't match -my- perception of the book... ...all one has to do is watch I, Robot, and wonder when Asimov's novel spent most of its pages describing product placement and making mass culture references. Edited by Man Overboard - September 21 2007 at 13:43 |
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Sean Trane
Special Collaborator Prog Folk Joined: April 29 2004 Location: Heart of Europe Status: Offline Points: 20240 |
Posted: September 21 2007 at 08:55 | |
I'm the opposite!! I will probably never read the book if I saw the film before, no matter how different it is
I remember reading this trashy novel called "Cocaine and blue eyes", than (would you believe it) OJ "return to jail" Simpson did a film of this book. It was an exact copy of the book almost down to the last word >> stunk as bad as the book!!
Although I refuse to see TLOR movies, I'm glad I read the books. But there is no way I would've done it the other way: movies first and books next.
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let's just stay above the moral melee
prefer the sink to the gutter keep our sand-castle virtues content to be a doer as well as a thinker, prefer lifting our pen rather than un-sheath our sword |
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MikeEnRegalia
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Posted: September 21 2007 at 03:27 | |
^ maybe a little more open-mindedness would do you good? I mean, you don't have to like movies about books, but to say that they're objectively bad just because they don't match *your* perception of the book ...
BTW: How is interpreting and expanding adding any less entropia than interpreting and summarizing? |
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Man Overboard
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Posted: September 21 2007 at 02:44 | |
Movies based on novels are almost universally appalling in comparison to the source material. To say otherwise reveals either a lack of imagination or a lack of ability to grasp the written word, it's as simple as that. Adding images where there were once none can only create entropy. Can you name a movie based on an album that stands above the album?
Now, movies based on short stories have a better chance of success, if only because instead of compressing and truncating, they're expanding and interpreting. I generally cannot -finish- a movie based on a novel if I've previous read the novel. It feels like a horrible dub-job on a foreign film, the characters are always all wrong in my eyes. Is it because the characters -are- all wrong? Well, in today's Hollywood, probably But in the past, it was because what I got out of the book was much different than what the director did. Hell, I loathed the screen adaption of The Shining, and it's universally applauded. With that said... if any of you like the modern "I, Robot" film with Will Smith over the original book, you deserve to be put out of your sad, sad misery. I mean it. |
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fungusucantkill
Forum Senior Member Joined: July 26 2005 Location: New Orleans Status: Offline Points: 618 |
Posted: September 20 2007 at 22:48 | |
Running with Scissors. Even though the movie was great, it didnt match up with the awesomenesstisity of the book
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sircosick
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Posted: September 20 2007 at 22:12 | |
I simply cannot watch a movie having read the respective book before....
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The best you can is good enough...
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Komodo dragon
Forum Senior Member Joined: March 20 2007 Location: Serbia Status: Offline Points: 346 |
Posted: September 20 2007 at 18:56 | |
sometimes the case is that the book is bad written and boring but movie is better and interesting, for example someones acting can be so good that cast aside how much story is badly shaped. what I am trying to say this two can collaborate and refill
one another’s weak spaces and that is what fascinate me the most! |
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Dean
Special Collaborator Retired Admin and Amateur Layabout Joined: May 13 2007 Location: Europe Status: Offline Points: 37575 |
Posted: September 20 2007 at 18:27 | |
If you are talking about faithful translations of the printed word onto the screen then I think it is subjective - either the director shares your imagined images of the characters and events or he doesn't. I am willing to accept that they will have to change somethings and leave bits out to fit even the shortest novel into a 2 hour film (many of the great films were based upon short stories and novella's), but I tend to emit the "The Book Was Better" line if they change too much.
Case in point - War of the Worlds. Edited by darqdean - September 20 2007 at 18:28 |
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Equality 7-2521
Forum Senior Member Joined: August 11 2005 Location: Philly Status: Offline Points: 15784 |
Posted: September 20 2007 at 18:11 | |
They may be apples and oranges but you can certainly compare them and
decide which you prefer. Nothing wrong with saying you find the book
better.
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"One had to be a Newton to notice that the moon is falling, when everyone sees that it doesn't fall. "
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cuncuna
Forum Senior Member Joined: March 29 2005 Location: Chile Status: Offline Points: 4318 |
Posted: September 20 2007 at 12:53 | |
Orlando. The movie is a good effort, though. Uhm... I saw a movie version of "El llano en llamas", but that was just anecdotic... it's impossible to pass that book to any other format.
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Raff
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Posted: September 20 2007 at 08:52 | |
I've read them both, and I would say that the movies are probably on a par with the books in terms of artistic quality. Mind you, the media are vastly different, so a comparison in terms of "better" and "worse" probably would not hold. Both books are great, but their visual translations are perfect. |
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andu
Forum Senior Member Joined: September 27 2006 Location: Romania Status: Offline Points: 3089 |
Posted: September 20 2007 at 08:48 | |
I remember saying this on another thread dealing with the same subject
- we all must remember that a movie is not and can not be the
equivalent of a novel, because of the completely different amount of
"time and space" they can "contain". It's not fair comparing a movie to
a novel, and very few movies managed to have the complexity of a novel.
They are just to limited by constraints - it has often happened to me
to take a novel in hand and only leave it when finished, a day (or a
night) after. But who could ever sit through an 8 hours film? The film
is the equivalent of the short story (a novella). One example is "The
Duellists" - Joseph Conrad's story is superb, but Ridley Scott's film
is a masterpiece.
We should also look for those great movies who are not based on famous books, of course it's difficult to surpass a great novel. Many of great films, however, are based on books that are not really that good - that's a good start for thinking of some examples. How many people would say "Heart of Darkness" (the book) is better that "Apocalypse Now" (the movie)? Anyone here read "The Leopard" and "Death in Venice"? I'm curious, as Visconti's films are incredible masterpieces. |
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Shakespeare
Forum Senior Member Joined: July 18 2006 Status: Offline Points: 7744 |
Posted: September 20 2007 at 08:40 | |
I was young when I read it...Didn't enjoy it to its full extent, didn't understand everything, and I totally forget most of it now. But my mom told me the movies were terrible so I never bothered to jog my memory that way... Oh yes, the books are always better, by a very large margin. Look at Harry Potter: BOOKS: WTF IS THIS TRASH?!?!?! MOVIES: *Chameleon's suicide smiley* |
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Sean Trane
Special Collaborator Prog Folk Joined: April 29 2004 Location: Heart of Europe Status: Offline Points: 20240 |
Posted: September 20 2007 at 05:46 | |
the book is always better than the movie.
The only exception I can think of are
Stand By Me >> adaptation of Stephen King's The Body novella in Dofferent Seasons
Shawshank Redemption >> about as excellent as the novella also from the same book
The Shining is very different from the book, but poarticularly good as well. Edited by Sean Trane - September 20 2007 at 05:48 |
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let's just stay above the moral melee
prefer the sink to the gutter keep our sand-castle virtues content to be a doer as well as a thinker, prefer lifting our pen rather than un-sheath our sword |
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bluetailfly
Forum Senior Member Joined: January 28 2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 1383 |
Posted: September 19 2007 at 23:50 | |
It depends on how the screen writer adapts the story to film. That is what will determine if the movie should be judged on its own merits.
If a screenwriter merely edits the story down and presents it in a straightfoward way, i.e., simply "illustrates" the written word with a camera like an unimaginative comic book, then the movie does allow for a comparison to the written work and those who know the written work can rightly say that the movie didn't do the book justice or whatever.
However, if the screen writer and director and cinematographer took the time to adapt the story--it's themes, motifs, character struggles, etc--artistically into cinematic language, then I believe the movie stands on it's own as an artistic work and a one-for-one comparison of the book to movie isn't really a relevant approach to judging the movie. Edited by bluetailfly - September 19 2007 at 23:51 |
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stonebeard
Forum Senior Member Joined: May 27 2005 Location: NE Indiana Status: Offline Points: 28057 |
Posted: September 19 2007 at 23:21 | |
Dune. Dune. And more Dune
Oh, I almost forgot Dune.
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