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The T
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Topic: 2007 Hall of Fame Inductees Announced Posted: January 12 2007 at 18:37 |
1800iareyay wrote:
Though I don't like the idea of rap entering the rock hall of fame, I could see a few making it. Public Enemy's punk attitude as well as sampling metal and collaborating with rockers. They have as much business in there as so many of the jazz artists.
If my post came off as remorseful and/or enraged that certain high caliber bands were not inducted, that wasn't my intention. I was merely happy that Van Halen and REM got a nod, and pointed out a few bands that should have entered a long time ago. I too will lose no sleep over Purple's and Genesis' exclusion from what hsa become a building of irony, where the music industry visibly shows how it has tamed the once rebellious rock into a cash-cow complete with cookie-cutter bands who all sell millions of albums because the United States has miserably failed the War on Drugs. Huh, come to think of it, guess I am a little mad |
I don't blame you. The reasons are there, you explained them.
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1800iareyay
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Posted: January 12 2007 at 18:04 |
Though I don't like the idea of rap entering the rock hall of fame, I could see a few making it. Public Enemy's punk attitude as well as sampling metal and collaborating with rockers. They have as much business in there as so many of the jazz artists.
If my post came off as remorseful and/or enraged that certain high caliber bands were not inducted, that wasn't my intention. I was merely happy that Van Halen and REM got a nod, and pointed out a few bands that should have entered a long time ago. I too will lose no sleep over Purple's and Genesis' exclusion from what hsa become a building of irony, where the music industry visibly shows how it has tamed the once rebellious rock into a cash-cow complete with cookie-cutter bands who all sell millions of albums because the United States has miserably failed the War on Drugs. Huh, come to think of it, guess I am a little mad
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Posted: January 12 2007 at 15:04 |
Pink Floyd are already in the hall of fame, so the "barrier" has already been broken.
Inducting a rapper is just stupid, just like the couple Jazz people they have in there.
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Posted: January 12 2007 at 12:15 |
Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:
Atavachron wrote:
[IMG]smileys/smiley36.gif" align=middle> This is beginning to sound like a PA argument about which bands are prog enough to be here |
No, it's simple, you can't induct Pele to the Beisball Hall of Fame no matter how good he was because HE NEVER PLAYED BEISBALL.
For the same reason you can't induct a rap artist who doesn't play Rock to the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame.
It's illogical and absurd.
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But there's a logic to that (at least in their eyes):
rap exposure in Rock Hall of Fame = better sells for everyone involved
not that quality or adherence to a genre matters anyway...
I've heard the HIPHOP Hall and Fame next inductees are Run DMC, N234 and Genesis
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Posted: January 12 2007 at 06:25 |
If any prog band makes it, it would be Pink Floyd. Not just prog lovers but stoners as well, not to mention the years of being on the top 500 list.
Come to think of it, I don't think most prog bands will make it. They want to induct bands that will show up and maybe play... and sell tickets, a lot of Hall of Fame T- Shirts, souvenir books, etc. The suits obviously want a rock and roll EVENT (you know, like the last couple of Woodstock "events"). Why else would they induct Madonna?
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Posted: January 12 2007 at 02:31 |
ViolinCyndee wrote:
Spacerock will never be included... |
They would need a bigger hall
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Posted: January 12 2007 at 01:50 |
Spacerock will never be included...
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Posted: January 11 2007 at 23:51 |
Atavachron wrote:
This is beginning to sound like a PA argument about which bands are prog enough to be here |
No, it's simple, you can't induct Pele to the Beisball Hall of Fame no matter how good he was because HE NEVER PLAYED BEISBALL.
For the same reason you can't induct a rap artist who doesn't play Rock to the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame.
It's illogical and absurd.
Iván
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Posted: January 11 2007 at 23:45 |
This is beginning to sound like a PA argument about which bands are prog enough to be here
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Posted: January 11 2007 at 23:39 |
Amazing, inducting a rapper to the ROCK & ROLL Hall of fame it's like giving the Nobel Prize of Medicine to a novelist that writes best sellers.
No relation, Rap is not Rock, I believe somebody should tell this morons that you should at least play Rock to be inducted.
They should change the name to "Best Selling Doesn't Matter What Genre Hall of Fame" because it's not a Rock hall anymore.
Who's next...Ricky Martin?
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Edited by Ivan_Melgar_M - January 11 2007 at 23:48
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Posted: January 11 2007 at 23:32 |
I have very little doubt a prog band will be included sooner than later, I'd guess within five years. ELP? Maybe, but I'd think Tull because they're as well known, still together, and appeal to a wider group of people.
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Posted: January 11 2007 at 23:20 |
Zappa88 wrote:
I don't see how a rapper is being inducted into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame, but that's just me. Van Halen, not a big fan, but man its about time they got in!
And you gotta love R.E.M., one of my favourites. |
I missed that... you're right... that proves my point further: this "hall of fame" crap is just, well, that, crap. "music industry" crap, a well-thought way of promoting music without actually advertising (the ceremony will take care of that)... great, a RAPPER in the ROCK hall of fame...
I hope, when they announce the HIPHOP Hall of Fame Inductees, they include The Beatles...
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Posted: January 11 2007 at 22:31 |
I don't see how a rapper is being inducted into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame, but that's just me. Van Halen, not a big fan, but man its about time they got in!
And you gotta love R.E.M., one of my favourites.
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Posted: January 11 2007 at 22:29 |
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Posted: January 11 2007 at 22:24 |
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Posted: January 11 2007 at 22:21 |
Bern wrote:
From those you suggested, the one that surprises me is Deep
Purple. I'm not a big fan but I can't see why they aren't included.
They were good sellers. They had big hits. They were not prog...
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ouch... those are fighting words around AR Headquarters....
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Posted: January 11 2007 at 22:20 |
The T wrote:
micky wrote:
I've heard people in the know say that the
prog band with the best chance to break the barrier is of all groups...
ELP.
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Three things:
1. Incredible that a band with such complex music would be considered.
2. Incredible that a band that's the subject of lots of bashing and
ridicule by the "music industry and media" could be the one selected BY
THAT SAME INDUSTRY; it shows the hipocrisy, but is easily explainable
by,
3. ELP was one of the top sellers in the prog-gold-era, so that's
why. Like everything in the music/whore-industry, it's decided by
MONEY.
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not to mention ELP ...sh*t.. let's face it. represent all that was
loved AND hated about prog. They.. not Yes, or King Crimson and
sure as hell not Genesis were the face of Prog in the 70's. Have
noted before, I have two friends, a few years older than me who were
old enough to check out these artists in their prime. They both
state, unequilavably and ..independently as well hahah.. that the ELP
tour of 1974 was THE single best concert they saw of the 70's. That
includes the Floyd tours.. Zeppelin...even.. and I was surprised by
this.. even the Who. They were huge and hated by the press.. hell
yeah.. what better way to slap prog by inducting the one band that
still is on worst band lists today It's a longshot.. hell all the prog bands are. But I think ELP would be the first one to be inducted.
Edited by micky - January 11 2007 at 22:22
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Posted: January 11 2007 at 22:10 |
From those you suggested, the one that surprises me is Deep Purple. I'm not a big fan but I can't see why they aren't included. They were good sellers. They had big hits. They were not prog...
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Posted: January 11 2007 at 22:08 |
micky wrote:
I've heard people in the know say that the prog band with the best chance to break the barrier is of all groups... ELP.
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Three things:
1. Incredible that a band with such complex music would be considered.
2. Incredible that a band that's the subject of lots of bashing and ridicule by the "music industry and media" could be the one selected BY THAT SAME INDUSTRY; it shows the hipocrisy, but is easily explainable by,
3. ELP was one of the top sellers in the prog-gold-era, so that's why. Like everything in the music/whore-industry, it's decided by MONEY.
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Posted: January 11 2007 at 22:02 |
I've heard people in the know say that the prog band with the best chance to break the barrier is of all groups... ELP.
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