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    Posted: December 17 2006 at 09:32
People rarely acquire the taste for prog with obscure and less-known bands. Generally they start with Yes or Genesis, DT or Tool, Pendragon or Arena, not counting the 'prog-related' bands, a good path to the real prog.
 
Even in countries with a fine prog/prog-rock scenario, like USA, Brazil, Argentina, Spain, etc. people only discover their local gems after being taken by the 'golden medalists' (Italy, maybe an exception).
 
It's natural also that those starting with prog want to review albums that impressed them firstly, an untouched RIGHT, indeed. 


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Originally posted by Cygnus X-2 Cygnus X-2 wrote:

Originally posted by MikeEnRegalia MikeEnRegalia wrote:

no. But it would be good if there was some kind of incentive for reviewers to review "underreviewed" albums. Just like there is a label for "first reviews", maybe that feature could simple be expanded to albums with less than 20 reviews.

That's a great idea, and it should really be implemented.
 
I am very skeptical towards this.
 
Before the "first review" incentive first arrived, I had written down a list of about 30 albums that haven't got a single review, often not a single rating, and could only get to reviewing about 10 of those during the summer. After checking the other 20 or so, I noticed that roughly a half was reviewed by people who didn't put any effort into it at all, and I forgot the initial idea of removing those from my list, since there was still a bunch of important things to say about those releases after the quick "I, I, I am first!!! Look at me!" reviews usually written casually within a single paragraph, vague descriptions and little thought.
 
Now if there was a way to encourage people to move on to explore more obscure albums and also review them properly, that would be a good helping hand, although I am not sure if there is any way (of course, you could advertise PR titles, but in the end people don't need a title to be encouraged to write well, they should just feel enthusiastic about the idea of telling people about the music they don't know, and titles really don't mean as much here - although I've got to admit that I personally feel honoured to be in the Prog Reviewers, as I feel I write for the prog listener, not any other kind, and that I can be sure that my reviews will appear on the top and won't cause as much confusion as some irrelevant 100 words reviews do).
 
You could always decrease the words limit, but 75 words is absolutely minimal, from my point of view. I mean, I am sometimes not satisfied with my reviews that go beyond 700 words according to the PA word counter, and feel I have missed claiming something crucial.
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Rest assured, we will never prohibit reviews of any albums listed on the site. M@x is however working on improvements to the way they are presented.
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    The biggest benefit I see is so that you can see what a specific person has to say about it. There are certain members I look to for opinions, and for different perspectives.
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you can't control it and you certainly don't have to do this "already reviewed, others who didn't review it can't review it any longer, sorry, (hahhahah LOL)". unless it's an abuse or a redundant thing, the reviewing of uber-reviewed albums is/must be a welcomed thing. and little complaints about not seeing tons of Qwaarn, but tons of classic music from prog, aren't that objective.

mind you, I don't actually see that much of a fret towards reviewing the same old thing. At least in one day, I get to see about 20 obscure titles and low profile in being reviewed albums that really show the "underground" interest. And not just from "collaborators" or "underground" lovers

people review:

  • what they listen to (as in what they have in their collection), up to which the classics is always a bit more on everyone's record
  • what they listen to (as in what they have in mind listening), up to which no comment from anyone
  • what they find very easy to review
  • towards what they like to share their opinion
  • towards what they expect their opinion to be accepted, taken as
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think i'll do "Close to the Edge" by Yes - nobody done a review for that yet have they??......they have? - oh dear Unhappy
 
i could always mention what they had for lunch during recording sessions, or what colour underpants Rick was wearing ......Confused
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Originally posted by Cygnus X-2 Cygnus X-2 wrote:

Originally posted by MikeEnRegalia MikeEnRegalia wrote:

no. But it would be good if there was some kind of incentive for reviewers to review "underreviewed" albums. Just like there is a label for "first reviews", maybe that feature could simple be expanded to albums with less than 20 reviews.

That's a great idea, and it should really be implemented.
 
Yeah, right, that would be not only great incentive but also serious inducement!Clap
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Originally posted by DallasBryan DallasBryan wrote:

should Rush, Genesis, Yes, Dream Theater, etc be banned by the Archives from being reviewed?
 
do we really need anymore after an album has been reviewed 20,000 times?


By all means: "No!", for at least two reasons next to the one already discussed in this thread:


1. Most of these reviews so far I expect were written by long-time fans, who are just a tiny bit biased
    toward their favourite band. I'd love to see more reviews by younger folks (maybe like myself, I am
    the same age as Seling England by the Pound), who have different but equally valid view on these
    albums. In the end, these reviews will over time influence the Top 100 as well in a positive (more
    realistic in terms of historical value) way.
2. Threads like the one below are not necessary, and will only be blocked if equal numbers of lovers and
    haters of a band can post their reviews:
    http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=32256

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Points: 940 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 16 2006 at 17:07

When I find an interesting review I use to browse the reviews written by that reviewer, I think it's always interesting to read what some reviewers have to say about the classic albums, regardless the number of previous reviews.
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Points: 15535 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 16 2006 at 17:03
Originally posted by MikeEnRegalia MikeEnRegalia wrote:

no. But it would be good if there was some kind of incentive for reviewers to review "underreviewed" albums. Just like there is a label for "first reviews", maybe that feature could simple be expanded to albums with less than 20 reviews.

    Yes, this would be a good idea.
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Points: 21342 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 16 2006 at 17:02
Originally posted by MikeEnRegalia MikeEnRegalia wrote:

no. But it would be good if there was some kind of incentive for reviewers to review "underreviewed" albums. Just like there is a label for "first reviews", maybe that feature could simple be expanded to albums with less than 20 reviews.

That's a great idea, and it should really be implemented.
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Points: 21598 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 16 2006 at 17:01
no. But it would be good if there was some kind of incentive for reviewers to review "underreviewed" albums. Just like there is a label for "first reviews", maybe that feature could simple be expanded to albums with less than 20 reviews.
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Of course not, everyone is entitled to review as they please.
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Points: 15535 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 16 2006 at 17:00
What!! Why? I am just starting to review Rush! And I haven't reviewed any Yes. I want to express my thoughts about those bands, so no they should not be banned. That would ruin the idea of reviewing stuff, if it was only to be reviewed a certain number of times. If that happens, then in the future people would not be able to review some of the older prog because it has been reviewed so many times.
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Points: 12600 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 16 2006 at 17:00
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should Rush, Genesis, Yes, Dream Theater, etc be banned by the Archives from being reviewed?
 
do we really need anymore after an album has been reviewed 20,000 times?
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