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    Posted: November 06 2006 at 08:44
Originally posted by Dick Heath Dick Heath wrote:

Rachid Taha, another RAI singer/instrumentalist who has worked with Steve Hillage for about 2 decades, is definitely worth a check out - did a great Arabic version of the Clashes' Rock The Kasbar  
 
It's nice to see Rachid Taha mentioned in progarchives! Though his style might not be proggy, I like some of his stuff, his collaboration work with the other 2 Rai singers, Faudel and Khaled, (Un, Deux, Trois Soleils, I suppose) was great. Unfortunately I lost that double CD Cry
Listen to Turkish psych/prog; you won't regret:
Baris Manco,Erkin Koray,Cem Karaca,Mogollar,3 Hürel,Selda,Edip Akbayram,Fikret Kizilok,Ersen (and Dadaslar) (but stick with the '70's, and 'early 80's!)
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So many suggestions -- so little response....Confused
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Originally posted by secabol secabol wrote:

Thanks for the suggrestions...Though after looking up some of the stuff your recommendations seem to be described as more indian which is what I am not looking for.

More arabic...I know it might sound similiar to some but there is a difference..more arabic, turkish than indian...

 
I'll give some suggestions on the original subject matter, but I happen to be the expert when it comes to the certain aspect I highlighted aboveWink (see left!)
 
First of all, try getting these Turkish Folk/Prog albums if you can:
Les Mogol (Mogollar): Danses et Rythmes de la Turquie-d'Hier d'Aujourd'hui (1971, France)
Les Mogol (Mogollar): Hittite Sun (1974, France)
Baris Mancho : 2023 (1975, Turkey)
Baris Mancho : Baris Mancho (turkish title: Nick the Chopper, 1976, Belgium)
Cem Karaca: Safinaz (1978, Turkey)
 
you may find the names with slightly different spellings. The latter is actually a symphonic prog album, but it includes great deal of Turkish melodies/rhythm patterns, and the side long title track even has a part consisting of an arabesque melody.
 
Next: established prog bands with Turk/arab influence (apart from the already mentioned agitation free)
Amon Düül II: Phallus Dei (this album makes use of a Turkish drum, and has bits of melodic influences)
Amon Düül II: Yeti (not so obvious as the previous one, but I believe it still has some eastern influence)
Can: Soon over Babaluma (not so much. in one track they made use of an authentic Turkish string instrument, saz, but the track is actually based on reggae rhythm!)
Can: Saw Delight (I don't know what the others think, but I sense deep Turkish influence in the 15 minute track Animal Waves...)
Can : Ege Bamyasi (nothing really! Just the name is Turkish! It simply means "Aegean Okra", as the cover suggests!)
 
Nik Turner's Sphynx: Xitintoday (great Egyptian influenced music!)
Alan Davey: Bedouin (need I say more?)
Anubian Lights : Let not the Flame Die Out (very similar to Agitation Free's approach. The music is more techno/electronica oriented, but the melodies bring you to Egypt. Besides, there are bits of Arabic talk, just like Agitation Free's Malesch)
 
I can provide samples from any of the names I listed above. Just drop me a PM.
 
And I'd second Dick Heath's opinion about Unledded Page & Plant album. Not only Kashmir, but also Friends, Four Sticks and Battle of Evermore assume a completely different style! Not to mention their great maestro, Hossam Ramzy, who has also been involved in similar projects. (his arrangements made kick-ass songs out of simple compositions of a Turkish pop singer, named Çelik...)


Edited by Bilek - November 06 2006 at 08:34
Listen to Turkish psych/prog; you won't regret:
Baris Manco,Erkin Koray,Cem Karaca,Mogollar,3 Hürel,Selda,Edip Akbayram,Fikret Kizilok,Ersen (and Dadaslar) (but stick with the '70's, and 'early 80's!)
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I'm reminded Plant & Page Unplugged - CD and DVD issued as No Quarter - has quite a number of Morrocan and Egyptan musicians, e.g. a full Egyptian Arabic orchestra on a great take of Kashmir.
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Originally posted by Spiderprog Spiderprog wrote:

The opening track of Area's  Arbeit Macht Frei begins with a recitation in Arabic and continues with a middle eastern influenced tune.
Would be interesting to hear more about Prog influenced by classical Arabic Music seeing as western classical and Indian music have been used so well and often.


I'd say its even more of it on both Crac! and Caution Radiation Area.

Here's a few eastern/kraut ones not mentioned: Brave New World: Aldous Huxley, Between: And the Waters Opened. Both wonderful.

Italian band Aktualas two first are both brilliant too. First one is really much more middle eastern sounding than prog.

And you might not believe this, but Vangelis '71 album The Dragon is a great one in this genre.

Quintessence are also quite good. I'd start with the debut.

Secret Chiefs 3 - Book of Horizons. Ca. half the the track on the album is traditionlasounding eastern music . Same goes for the not equally great Book M.

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Some flamenco prog bands (Prog Andaluz Wink ) have an Arabian undertone because the flamenco was originally rooted in the Mid-Eastern area. I would like to suggest bands like Triana (El Patio), Mezquita (Recuerdos De Mi Tierra), Azahar (eponymous album) en Medina Azahara (En Al-Hakim)

Others: Asia Minor and Ozric Tentacles (Live Underslunky)
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Just noticed the kraut rock thing in the original thread - what about Guru Guru, with a Iranian guitarist?????
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Try Rimitti , a great RAI singer from Algeria who died May this year well into her 80's 48 hours after doing a sell out gig in Paris. Her 1995 album Sidi Mansour  recorded in LA, has Flea on bass (sounding better than on many a Red Chilis recording IMHO), Robert Fripp providing soundscapes and the Fowler brothers providing the occasional brass backing. Her follow-up album uses Fripp to an even greater degree - just found the title: Cheikha
 
A couple of oud players, again based in France, calling themselves DuOud, have developed a really cutting edge hybrid of Arabic and rock music. Check out the French record  label Label Bleu for details.
Wild Serenade
 
Rachid Taha, another RAI singer/instrumentalist who has worked with Steve Hillage for about 2 decades, is definitely worth a check out - did a great Arabic version of the Clashes' Rock The Kasbar i.e. on this album:
Tekitoi
 
 
 
 
 
 
Just found this cheap at Amazon.UK so ordered it:Made in Medina
 
 


Edited by Dick Heath - November 03 2006 at 06:57
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AKTUALA: http://www.progarchives.com/Progressive_rock_discography_BAND.asp?band_id=1481
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Dzyan - Electric Silence
Agitation Free - Malesch, Second
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     The 60's California Psych group Kaleidoscope (David Lindley was the most famous member) used a LOT of Middle Eastern instruments mixed with the usual rock.  Think Grateful Dead playing "Moroccan Roll"....Unhappy
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Ever heard Dissidenten? Not "prog," according to PA, but accessible to many prog fans, I think. They feature German musicians, and Arab & Indian singers (mainly the former). Upbeat, electronic, with some eastern instrumentation as well -- quite a unique fusion! Cool
 
 
 
This is a very good one:
 
As is this:
 
"Out of This World"
 
 
I really like these discs -- might be right up your alley!Smile
Here are some links -- their site & 2 videos:
 
 
 
 


Edited by Peter Rideout - November 03 2006 at 00:34
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Embryo perhaps? Some of their stuff surely qualifies, although some of it is African influenced (Africa, ...and the Yoruba Dun Dun Orchestra, etc...).
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Originally posted by Spiderprog Spiderprog wrote:

The opening track of Area's  Arbeit Macht Frei begins with a recitation in Arabic and continues with a middle eastern influenced tune.
Would be interesting to hear more about Prog influenced by classical Arabic Music seeing as western classical and Indian music have been used so well and often.
 
 
Exactly what I was thinking about.
 
 
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Sorry secabol. I don't know the difference quite well since I know little about asian cultures.

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i believe Revival's only album might be what your looking for Tongue
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The opening track of Area's  Arbeit Macht Frei begins with a recitation in Arabic and continues with a middle eastern influenced tune.
Would be interesting to hear more about Prog influenced by classical Arabic Music seeing as western classical and Indian music have been used so well and often.
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Thanks for the suggrestions...Though after looking up some of the stuff your recommendations seem to be described as more indian which is what I am not looking for.

More arabic...I know it might sound similiar to some but there is a difference..more arabic, turkish than indian...
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How about Magic Carpet? Dzyan - Electric Silence is another good album. Algarnas Tradgard's Framtiden ar ett Svavande... as well.

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