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    Posted: October 05 2008 at 17:06
Great post. :)

I'm Belgian, but born some decades too late, actually i only have the Lagger Blues Machine in my collection but I'll try to listen to everything.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 04 2008 at 00:29
Well done HughesClap. I must say Belgium has a lot to be proud of with bands like  Present ,Univers Zero and Pazop.All three bands present intelligent and incrediblely well played music.I'm obviously a big fan of those three bands.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 25 2008 at 16:44
Trane you are my hero!!!!!! good essay!!




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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 13 2008 at 13:03
Originally posted by toroddfuglesteg toroddfuglesteg wrote:

I have a Waterloo review ready & on hold. I am awaiting the inclusion of this band in the database.

 
 
Actually Waterloo and Pebblesmight have a case at proto prog.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 08 2008 at 07:29
I have a Waterloo review ready & on hold. I am awaiting the inclusion of this band in the database.

 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 07 2008 at 11:03
Kudos Mr Trane. Chamber Prog seems a perfect fit to UZ's music. RIO is better as a grouping than a genre.
PLUS .... UZ will honour FMPM with its' presence this fall in Montreal. How many canucks are socking away their canadian dollars for that September weekend ?
Too bad that Samla wasn't booked for this year's shows. It could have made for a good package on one of the two concert nights.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 07 2008 at 07:41
Hugues, they were added by Angelo a while back: http://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=3393 Wink

I think Catherine Jauniaux might be added in her own right in the future too.  She's released an album with Japanese vocalist Ikue Mori as well.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 07 2008 at 07:27
I never DAAU was added here
Aranis is an omisssion of mine
 
Wrong Object an excellent additions. I had that in my mind for a while, but please feel free.
 
Nuit Caline a la Villa Mon Reve, we're working on it. Still trying to find the correct artwork
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 07 2008 at 07:15
Also, don't forget Nuit Caline a la Villa Mon Reve, who had members who went on to form Julverne.  Not exactly Chamber Prog (except a few elements in places), but rather Prog Folk.

Excellent article by the way and one I missed the first time around.  Most of these bands I have discovered, but a few still remain to be heard that I've never heard of, such as Hardscore, Pierre Vervloesem, Maximilist, Daniel Schell & Karo and Halvenhalf String Quartet..

I've also yet to hear Daniel Denis's solo albums.

By the way, I love both Kandahar albums and I really wish they're get re-issued on CD.

One last band to mention is [bub] who worked with Cro Magnon on one of their albums.

Addendum:

I've just remembered that Catherine Jauniaux is also Belgian and she's put out albums in her own name (Fluvial being one) and with other groups, such as the multi-national avant-prog band The Hat Shoes.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 06 2008 at 23:18

I said it before, but - Fantastic article! Clap

A few more bands which are splendid in my opinion are:
which I added to PA a while back.
 
Also on the jazz-rock front, I recently discovered The Wrong Object (which I'll add to PA).
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 06 2008 at 16:48

Thankyou,this is interesting.Clap

Its a whole area I know nothing about,and it all sounds very interesting.Must put a few of the albums mentioned here on my wants list.Thumbs%20Up
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bump!
 
Never know, it might just interest some newer members
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 01 2006 at 03:37
A bit out of topic, but here is my review of the actual symphonic scene of the country. I received a sampler that is rather democratically priced.
 
 
 

A Taste Of Belgium

 

Belgium has always been a surreal country and this compilation is yet another proof of it. If the country is about to implode both politically, socially and economically due to the two major communities’ differences, on the artistic level, even when subsidized by the different cultures, the artistes often collaborate with each other and the organizers try to do the same, knowing that their small country could not do without the other “side” and if you read my article on the Belgian Chamber Prog scene, you will see that Flemish and Wallons often collaborate together and produced many stunning oeuvres. 

 

This compilation is focussing on a side of the prog scene I was not encompassing in my essay: the modern symphonic prog groups that are abounding in Belgium.  Right of the bat, I will tell you that Ken’s Novel and Sioban are not represented because of their recording deal with Musea and Labrad’or records. Neither is Foggy Stuff, the latest kid on the block. Funnily enough when seeing the accompanying promotional flyer coming with this sampler, all groups featured here are coming from either Brussels or further west in Belgium, but the main prog prayer temple is in the extreme east of the country in Verviers, the infamous Spirit Of 66 with a good old grumbly Francis Géron (who also promotes the Cd) having hosted some incredible acts (not just prog) for such a small venue. Only the non-featured Ken’s Novel (and arguably the most successful) is counter-balancing the scale. Culturally speaking including the two major absents (both Wallon) the 50-50 is respected, even if this is rather recent. Again similarly the two major associations promoting Belgian prog are equally settled. The French-speaking Prog-resiste (a bunch of buddies of mine) have just celebrated their tenth year of operation and have their own festival, while the Dutch-speaking Prog-nose is probably in its fourth year and was strongly encouraged by their counterparts. So much for the presentations, on with the muze!!!!

 

Panopticum is a resolutely modern band which meanders between Dream Theatre, Riverside , Wolfmother. To say that these guys are made from entirely metal would be exaggerating, as they have strong symphonic influences also. The track is from their first album Reflection that was released in 04 and a second album is on the way for next year.

 

My buddies Madelgaire are an altogether different matter, almost emerging from the old gallic tradition and their 9-min+ Regrets seems to be coming from the forests of Anglagard’s debut album with a slightly more modern sound. Is that a real Mellotron, Bertrand? And Rocteur’s drumming is the motor of the group. Cannot wait for your debut album early next year guys!!!

 

Quantum Fantay is a rather different animal altogether, definitely less earthy and certainly more aerial. No wonder they are definitely more psych and spacey than most of their countrymen. Gong, Hillage and Hawkwind are their major influence with a resolutely modern-sounding crunching guitar leading the way to ecstasy. They were last year’s surprise with their first album and this track comes from their second album out late this year. Superb flute interlude Charles. 

 

Beyond The Labyrinth was Prog-nose’s first baby (if I may speak as such) with Geert Fieeuw being one of the major federator of this project. With their second album due next, year, BTL is one of the neo-prog sounding bands of the lot, but they sound more like the actual neo rather than the 80’s neo. Strongly symphonic with a tad of metallic guitars, Valinor’s Tree and Riverside come to mind, most notably.

 

I must say that Ghibilirizzi was an unknown to me as I was not aware of their first album as early as 01. The track they chose for this sampler is coming from their second album and is has a definite resolute flavour of Marillion and the more traditional neo-prog of the lost decade. However, these guys are doing anything but looking backwards and Dario’s guitars are fighting gloriously against a double KB attack.

 

AmAndA is they only group not singing in English and understandably so, since their music is strongly axed towards the symphonic theatrical rock (they have a really impressive stage show) that ange had pioneered. But AmAndA is so much more than Ange, they have a resolutely modern sound with some rather puzzling twists including some binary beats at times. This track comes from their first album (from 02 already), but having seen them recently, their new album (foreseen next year as well) will be a scorcher.

 

Karma depth was also a discovery for me. I had heard of their album’s release last year, but never had a chance to lay an ear on it before. And I will not again this time, since the track they chose is previously un-released and will maybe appear on their next album. From this track, it could just be that according to their name, the group is the more reflective of the lot. With a definitely neo-prog flavour, and a resolutely modern sound, their heavy symphonic neo-prog is full of luscious ambiances and constant twists. Some of you might have seen them open up for Pain Of Salvation.

 

Last but not least, come my friends of Globalys who had recorded a sublime demo five years ago, but die to personal and collective setbacks and line-up changes, their first real album is about to see the light of day early next year.  The jazzier-influenced (but still strongly symphonic), more complex and maybe the more original of the lot, it was always quite uneasy to describe their sound accurately as simply stating groups will simply not do. Often described as slightly Canterbury-sounding, this is only one of the facet of a group which has many. On this sampler is a pre-mix of a rework of their most played track from the demo renamed Eagle, Eggs & Bacon. While we were hungry for new material, Globalys is holding the suspense for their album by not unveiling what (I know) are stupendous new tracks. For now, this re-work is quite interesting as the infinite details they are known for have been re-arranged. Still my favourite band (and not because they are my friends), their sound is so eclectic embracing dissonance as well as delightful melodies, in a a few words: Globalys is a listener’s group. CriCri, Phil, Dom, Laurent and Olivier, I think it is time for our dose of new marvels and wonder.

 

Overall we can easily see that the new symphonic generation of group is ready to take over from the old symphonic guard and hopefully with more international success than Machiavel, Isopoda, Esperanto, Nessie or later on Now. Yes the future does look bright and the country would do well to take example on this bunch of artistes.



Edited by Sean Trane - September 12 2006 at 04:56
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 09 2006 at 05:27

^^^^^^^^^^^^^

 
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And fior Kandahar , here is the bio I wrote for the group while I included them
 

KANDAHAR

This group, hailing from Ghent (in Western part of Belgium), played some rather adventurous rock music and formed in 73, and were a cross of jazz-rock with Canterbury influences and sometimes a touch of Zeuhl. They released on their own private label Dwarf two albums, which were quite in the avant-garde progressive rock of the time (sounding a bit like a cross of Placebo, Pazop and Cos), before going broke.

In their heydays, Kandahar was often favourably compared with Supersister, but once they folded due to lack of finances again, leader Karel Bogaert, an engineer, returned to his professional acrtivities in the Far-East, but released a few solo albums. This left Jeff Devisscher at the helm of Kandahar, and they will take time to re-group. After a few years, they managed to release an Ep, than another album, but clearly their moment had gone. None of their albums have ever been re-issued on vinyl or on Cd format, making Kandahar records very sought-after.

In the late 80’s the group reformed for one album that will fail to bring back the feel of their early days brilliance. Only this album is available.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 08 2006 at 12:52
I hope this many help a little.

"TIDELINES music fuses elements of jazz, folk, pop, with hints of classicism to come up with their original and unique sound of Jazzy Chamber Rock. The line up consists of Hadi Al Gammal (lead vocals, 12 string acoustic), Christian Gilbert (drums), Didier De Roos (keyboards, acoustic guitar, background vocals) and Sam Mackinney (basses). It is hard to draw any direct comparisons to the band; the sound is close to JOHN GREAVES’ style.

Throughout their long history they only released only two albums. “The Crowed Room” (79) was there first. The sound is driven by the ever-present 12 string guitar and multilayered keys; boasting simple but colourful arrangements with English lyrics. The fragile vocals at times can give hint of Greg Lake. It was to be another 16 years for their (95) album “Siren Songs” to come out. This album was performed by a duet, along side a large line-up (Clarinet, Flute, Saxophone, Trumpet, Flugelhorn, and Violin). In total sixteen musicians played on the album, including Daniel Denis (Univers Zero). Their short songs are fully of complexity, sidled with strong touches of warmth and melody.

I would high recommend this band. If melodic laid back Prog is what you are looking for you should not stray past Tideline."

Just a little bit of a bio I have been trying to put together form information I have gathered. If you have any material to make this more complete please do so. I have their album "The Crowed Room", but am lacking information on the full line up of "Siren Songs"

BTW well done on putting this piece together.. it will be of much help to many people on the site Clap

 


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 22 2006 at 09:58

^^^^^^^^^^

To top it all of,

M@X actually put it up on the definition page

http://www.progarchives.com/Belgian-Chamber-Prog-Rock-Scene. asp

Merci, M@X

 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 22 2006 at 06:17
Eggcellent work Mr. Chantraine.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 17 2006 at 14:30

Great work Hugues,

I hope, that your article gets stored in another place soon.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 17 2006 at 11:00

Nice!!!

I only know a small part of the groups mentioned...  TIME TO WORK ON THAT!

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 17 2006 at 05:27

Thanks TP!

Actually I had been saving up this article for the newsletter

To my knowledge, there was never an article written about this scene (which I arbitrarily call Chamber Prog), especially one linking all of these groups together or making a historical link between them. The Belgian scene was also heavily mixed with the french "Zeuhl-RIO" scene as well, and had a few connections with Dutch bands (Jazz Rock guitarist Philippe Catherine playing in later Focus or Supersister sharing the stage with early Cos).

This article took some four months in the writing, mostly because most of these bands are not well known and in some case, even looking for vinyls, I could not find anything on them: this is the case for Tideline and Kandahar. If anyone can help me out on these, please do!

I also hesitated of talking more in details about highly regarded Jenghis Khan or Irish Coffee. And I wanted to avoid talking in details of lighter symphonic groups: I personally really dislike the so-callede Belgian Prog Ambassador of Machiavel, even if every classic rock fan owes a great deal to drummer Marc Ysaye. Thanks , Marc!!! Sorry I do not like your music, though!

Actually I had to discover some of these groups since, I was in Canada for most of the 70's and therefore had never heard of them before I came back in the old world. I have known of Univers Zero only since 92, and only appreciated them only since 95. So the research was lenghty (I started thinking about this about one year ago) , because of the rarity of the earlier group, butalso the fact that I was discovering more bands as I went along.

My greatest help was finding a sort of Pete Frama-styled rock family tree in a Korean label version of Julverne's En Ballade. Actually, Chris Glesson/SYZYGY was with me on the day I opened this leaflet, and to me this was the first time I had seen something that accurate, and this was like a fist in the face! Do Belgians actually need a Korean label to set the record straight on what happened in this country? I just had to set the record straight, but I am sure there aresome inaccuracies in the text.

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I also wanted to talk of the early festivals that happened in Belgium, Bilzen in Flanders (>> still has a successor in the Pukkelpop festival - which unlike its name is the reference Rock festival nowadays)  and Amougies in Wallonie (as a reaction to French gov't cracking down on possible student or youth uprising afer May 68 in Paris, big events were strongly discouraged), which did not survive long. >>> but this was a side issue to the article

I also wanted to talk about someof those classic UK prog groups such as ELP , Genesis, VDGG, Pentangle coming to Belgium to record shows (this was done by the state TV - the french-speaking side of it - a bit like the BBC was doing in the UK), as it was a team that was obviously well used to working with each other >>>> but this was disgressing also from the subject.

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