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    Posted: October 01 2024 at 04:59
Originally posted by David_D David_D wrote:

Yes, a couple of very nice lists posted more here, but after all the disturbance........

But if to look at it from the positive side, it was good with some discussion about whether to consider Metal as a part of Rock genre or not, and Metal is definitely relevant for my topic, as being an important genre in the '80s.
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Originally posted by David_D David_D wrote:

Originally posted by Lewian Lewian wrote:

Maybe there's a bit of change (Eloy was my favourite band through more than half of the eighties) but not that much (I still appreciate some of their work).

When talking about Eloy, I've been thinking about the song "Up and Down" on the album Inside (1973). It seems to me being about political matters, what do you think?

I can't comment on this as I'm mostly not very interested in lyrics. Also I got the Eloy albums pretty early in my life (as far as they were already out) when my English wasn't yet up for this. I consciously listened to their 80s lyrics (not so keen on the Dawn to Silent Cries era lyrics-wise, neither Power...), but have never revisted Inside or Floating with attention to the lyrics.  
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Originally posted by Lewian Lewian wrote:

Maybe there's a bit of change (Eloy was my favourite band through more than half of the eighties) but not that much (I still appreciate some of their work).

When talking about Eloy, I've been thinking about the song "Up and Down" on the album Inside (1973). It seems to me being about political matters, what do you think?
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Now when it's very clear that I'm talking here about Rock broadly defined, it should be no problem with including in my list Bazaar Live. It's a World Fusion double album with a lot of rather rockish organ playing, and is thus another example of that I in the '80s also could like much and listened to other music than mainstream Rock and the some much Pop-influenced. It's also a Danish album, I find to be a good achievement when see it in an international perspective.
Here's the first and one of the longest tracks, "Forvandlingskuglen" ("The Ball of Metamorphosis"):

                          


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Very very nice post, Lewian. Thumbs Up Thumbs Up
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I got initiated to prog (and music passion) in the second half of 1979. By the end of 1989 I was 23 and had the most intense decade of music discovery behind me. I basically discovered all prog classics and much more during the eighties. In fact my tastes haven't changed that much, most of the stuff I found great back then I still love. Maybe there's a bit of change (Eloy was my favourite band through more than half of the eighties) but not that much (I still appreciate some of their work). 

A few years ago I did this list of my 200-250 favourite albums of all time. This may need some updating, but anyway, out of the top 20 there are 13 that I got to know and already loved in the eighties. Out of these just four are not from the eighties (one of which is the Stravinsky piece), so I was very much into the music of the time, and 8 are PA listed (5 of which are from the 80s).

Edit: OK, I kick out Piazzolla and Stravinsky as they are really not rock, which leaves me with 11, several of which can have their rock credentials questioned as well.

Holger Czukay - Movies
King Crimson - Discipline
Comsat Angels - Sleep No More
Kate Bush - The Dreaming
Camberwell Now - The Ghost Trade 
Brian Eno and David Byrne - My Life in the Bush of Ghosts
Manfred Mann"s Earthband - Nightingales and Bombers
Can - Soon over Babaluma
Diethelm & Famulari - Valleys in my Head
David Sylvian - Brilliant Trees
Startled Insects - Curse of the Pheromones
 
Despite not having an album in the top 20 that I already knew back then, I also discovered my "personal Big 5" members Art Zoyd, Talk Talk, and Cardiacs in the 80s. I actually have Talk Talk's 1991 album Laughing Stock on the list, but their 80s albums Colour of Spring and Spirit of Eden are pretty much as good. I also got into The Cure, Joe Jackson, Sting, Thomas Dolby, Suzanne Vega, Fehlfarben, Spliff, Joachim Witt, Einstuerzende Neubauten, all of which I adore to this day.


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Originally posted by Hrychu Hrychu wrote:

Originally posted by cristi cristi wrote:

In its early days, metal was part of rock but it has evolved since then and is its own thing now.
I actually agree. But that doesn't mean metal can't be seamlessly blended with rock anymore. It absolutely can, the same way blues, country, jazz et al. can be blended with rock.

You are right, you can blend metal with all sort of other influences, it's still metal, it is not watered down, but possibly some new creative metal sound. There was a black metal band that incorporated banjos in their sound. LOL 
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Originally posted by cristi cristi wrote:

In its early days, metal was part of rock but it has evolved since then and is its own thing now.
I actually agree. But that doesn't mean metal can't be seamlessly blended with rock anymore. It absolutely can, the same way blues, country, jazz et al. can be blended with rock.
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Originally posted by David_D David_D wrote:

Originally posted by David_D David_D wrote:

Still, I consider Metal to be a part of Rock genre if broadly defined, and as far as I've seen it, it's rather common to do it. Star

But I think that I better call it "Rock as meta-genre" or maybe even "Rock as umbrella", my friends. Star


No, rock is not a 'meta" genre or 'umbrella". I can agree prog is "meta", rock is not. I don't see how. Ermm
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Originally posted by Logan Logan wrote:

The title track from "Melissa"
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That track sounds like rock and metal (heavy metal) to these ears, but again I am no expert.

Yes, but it's also the most Rock-like (strictly defined) track on this album, while the 11-minutes "Satan's Fall" is like proto-Prog Metal to my ears, but again I'm no expert in Prog Metal, either.
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Originally posted by David_D David_D wrote:

Still, I consider Metal to be a part of Rock genre if broadly defined, and as far as I've seen it, it's rather common to do it. Star

But I think that I better call it "Rock as meta-genre" or maybe even "Rock as umbrella", my friends. Star



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These guys rocked hard on stage - at least when I saw them a few times at the Carribean Festival on the Toronto Islands in the early 80's.
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Whether the music of Melissa is Heavy metal, metal, a form of hard rock, all of those, riff-busting reggae, whatever...

This is good stuff...

The title track from "Melissa"



That track sounds like rock and metal (heavy metal) to these ears, but again I am no expert.

It's a Black Sabbath influenced band and I also have been told by some metal people that classic heavy metal is not true metal (they differentiated heavy metal from other metal music). I like plenty of Heavy Metal while not being much of a metal fan. I do like heavy music (heavier than metal, I might say).

Maybe a good debate for metal music archives. I had a debate there about classification in its early days on the topic of hard rock, heavy metal and metal. I don't see the level of separation that some propose between genres. and I also like to focus more on the music of an individual album or track rather than generalisations of genre about bands with various albums which has been a source of some differences in opinion.

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Originally posted by David_D David_D wrote:

Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

In the last 3-4 decades or so, metal started to stand on his own, growing on its own, so much than even its subgenres got its own subgenres. LOL

So yeah, Mercyful Fate is not a rock band. 

Still, I consider Metal to be a part of Rock genre if broadly defined, and as far as I've seen it, it's rather common to do it. Star


Now you argue for the sake of arguing... Ouch

In its early days, metal was part of rock but it has evolved since then and is its own thing now. 


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Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

In the last 3-4 decades or so, metal started to stand on his own, growing on its own, so much than even its subgenres got its own subgenres. LOL

So yeah, Mercyful Fate is not a rock band. 

Still, I consider Metal to be a part of Rock genre if broadly defined, and as far as I've seen it, it's rather common to do it. Star
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Originally posted by verslibre verslibre wrote:

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Metals come from ore, and ore can come from rock, and I think that makes sense both for music and geology.


Time for your ore bands poll!


Oredinarily I might, but the polls section is so inundated with my polls that I feel that to make another now would be bang out of oreder. :)


Still, there are some overlooked gems that need exposure, and we must get to the geode of the matter.
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Originally posted by verslibre verslibre wrote:

Originally posted by Logan Logan wrote:

Metals come from ore, and ore can come from rock, and I think that makes sense both for music and geology.


Time for your ore bands poll!


Oredinarily I might, but the polls section is so inundated with my polls that I feel that to make another now would be bang out of oreder. :)
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Originally posted by Logan Logan wrote:

Metals come from ore, and ore can come from rock, and I think that makes sense both for music and geology.


Time for your ore bands poll!
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