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    Posted: February 19 2025 at 09:25
Originally posted by Nogbad_The_Bad Nogbad_The_Bad wrote:

From Steve Feigenbaum on FB on the same subject

Maybe Richard should stop being a dick and not post things that he doesn’t have sole rights to?
Is that really asking too much?
signed, SOMEONE ELSE who had his intellectual property being sold by Richard WHO HAD NO LEGAL RIGHT to it and made BandCamp take it down, after my email to Richard asking him to please take these specific things down, was ignored.

Hi,

I do think that Richard has to be more sensitive to the other folks he has played with in the past ... but there is one thing that kind of bothers me, which is likely the bad side of Canterbury ... I bet! ... there are too many individual folks with it, for their own everything, and there is way too much music buried because of it ... makes me wonder why bother playing if some folks don't want anyone to hear it ... wait 75 years so it goes to public domain? Seeing the BBC do this, and finally you can hear all of The Goons, and even earlier stuff like Michael Bentine ... is far out ... and so many other comedy things that I can't even figure out what to listen to ... but the 1970's? I don't think I will be around in 2045 ... or most of us here for it ... before we can hear so many of these things ... 

Somewhere, I am inclined to think that Richard Sinclair is not the only one that is out of order.

We will not hear it by then, I'm sure!

But, Richard, likely should have tried to get some kind of agreement, but when you have to do 4 or 5 of these in one band alone ... we have a problem ... and I am inclined to think that these folks are not into the music at al when they played it. They were, already, into their own trip, and that individuality "made" Canterbury stand out, but it is likely to show, now, why it died so fast, and so many of those folks disappeared and became teachers in various colleges. 

I, really, do not know what to think anymore. I like Richard, as I like so many of the other's works ... and I am really sad that one of my favorite families, is down to total destruction and killing the music, by relegating it to the closest closet with or without skeletons!


Edited by moshkito - February 19 2025 at 09:28
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From Steve Feigenbaum on FB on the same subject

Maybe Richard should stop being a dick and not post things that he doesn’t have sole rights to?
Is that really asking too much?
signed, SOMEONE ELSE who had his intellectual property being sold by Richard WHO HAD NO LEGAL RIGHT to it and made BandCamp take it down, after my email to Richard asking him to please take these specific things down, was ignored.
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While I have no doubts that rcarlberg did this with the best intentions. But after having taken a look at the page in quesstion, I have no trouble understanding Dave Stewart either.
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Originally posted by rcarlberg rcarlberg wrote:

Well, things have gotten a lot worse this morning.  I awakened to an e-mail from Mr. Stewart that says, in part, "I require you to immediately remove the items listed in the attached Excel file from Richard's Bandcamp."

He then listed 63 albums to be removed, including compilations and tributes.
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HI,

Sad ... really sad and I can understand it, but find it sad that the fans are the ones that won't benefit from the music. I wish Mr. Stewart the best in his endeavors. 

Might as well wipe a lot of the olders stuff off the record ... no one is gonna hear it or enjoy it ... we can always hope the skeletons in the closet will dance to it, while hidden. Just sad ... really sad, when an agreement to how much and such could easily be reached. 
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This should not be a surprise, my only surprise was that they stayed for any length of time.
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Well, things have gotten a lot worse this morning.  I awakened to an e-mail from Mr. Stewart that says, in part, "I require you to immediately remove the items listed in the attached Excel file from Richard's Bandcamp."

He then listed 63 albums to be removed, including compilations and tributes.

It'll take me a couple days to get this done, so if there are any Hatfield boots you've been curious about, now's the time.
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Originally posted by rcarlberg rcarlberg wrote:

...Yep.  Frank taped EVERYTHING.  To be fair, he did a series of "Beat The Boots" to take the wind out of the bootleggers, since he had soundboard recordings of everything.

And he mixed in particularly-successful solos from wherever they occurred when doing his "You Can't Do That on Stage Anymore" series. So his tapes did not entirely go to waste.

Hi,

However, when considering the quantity of the material, you can see it on the Alex Winter special, the amount is small ... and there is more. I, sincerely doubt that anyone in that family has the ability to listen to these things and find material that could be released. They were all brought up in the era of "song" and not "serious music" (per Frank), to appreciate what I imagine to be a good half of all those tapes.

Guy Guden in one of his blogs (all of them have been taken down, likely because it had some nasty history with the radio stations he was a part of!), specified that during an interview and then warm up for a show in Santa Barbara, that the band played almost 30 minutes non stop and little of it was recognizable material. And Steve Vai also specifies the greatest solo he ever heard ... which I'm not sure it has been released and appreciated like Steve did. I think that the stuff that Guy has is likely lost by now ... I screamed at him in the year 2000 to turn things into mp3 as the majority of the tapes likely won't last, and I was, at the time, able to save, over 300 hours of his show going back to 1974, and I gave him a copy of all the shows I had ... and at that time I had lost nearly 50 to 60 hours of shows, that were on cheaper cassettes like Radio Shack and such. Pretty much all the TDK and Maxell stuff survived.

I'm glad to see Richard show these tings, despite some folks not liking it ... I have never thought that music should be created, and played for a closet ... and as an artist and writer, I find that idea really sad, regardless of the situation. 

It's just a very sad situation all around, and my hope is that it all comes together and happy before the time comes when it can't be done anymore ... as we all get older, it is important that we learn that we need to go with a smile on our faces, and not a sad one, and while I do not wish to think anything bad about Mr. Stewart, I do think that sometimes, we can only hope that some things get the appreciation they deserve, and hopefully they will be remembered for a lot of their work, instead of so many artists disappearing and falling off the side of the road ... to nowhere, as Deke Leonard specified.


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Originally posted by moshkito moshkito wrote:

... reminds me of the Frank Zappa vault, where thousands and thousands of tapes were saved in his lifetime, and no one will ever hear it ... it just seems like such a waste. And I bet some work that is better than what we have heard is still buried ... 
Yep.  Frank taped EVERYTHING.  To be fair, he did a series of "Beat The Boots" to take the wind out of the bootleggers, since he had soundboard recordings of everything.

And he mixed in particularly-successful solos from wherever they occurred when doing his "You Can't Do That on Stage Anymore" series. So his tapes did not entirely go to waste.
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Originally posted by rcarlberg rcarlberg wrote:

Originally posted by Logan Logan wrote:

I might end up breaking the internet while I'm at it. That actually might not be such a bad thing,


Can we vote on that?Ouch


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Originally posted by Logan Logan wrote:

I might end up breaking the internet while I'm at it. That actually might not be such a bad thing,


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^ & ^^ Yes that is Max's purview as webmaster and site owner. He knows that there are various issues, limitations of the site architecture, forum software issues, server problems, pesky gremlins, and more. Good thing he has been around.

As for me, if I were to try some updates and changes, with my lack of adeptness, one might find that not only do I make the forum far worse, but I end up breaking the internet while I'm at it. That actually might not be such a bad thing, in some ways at least.. Definitely not in others even if it were possible.
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M@x seems a little more present at the moment so we can try and address it.
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Yeah, Logan I kicked myself the first time for not saving my post before trying to upload it.  The second time was all on me...

The third attempt -- and my 4th attempt! -- I was smarter. 😳

And this post is now on its 2nd attempt.  Is this something you can fix???
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^ Unfortunately those kinds of technical problems are commonplace. I find it important to get into the habit of coping my posts, and PMs, before submission. That said, I still forget to do that because the problems are not more consistent and because I'm not more consistent than I am in remembering that it can be an issue.

EDIT: Wow, and only now do I read back on the posts.

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I have tried to respond twice; each time my post has been denied without explanation.

I will only say I hope Dave Stewart, my favorite keyboardist in the whole world, rethinks his position about Rich & I offering the Hatfield ROIOs in the best possible condition for a reasonable price.  I mean, they're going to be out there regardless.

It has all been done with the utmost love & respect.
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Hi,

The only sad thing about it all is that due to some ideas about the commercial viability (or ownership) of a kitchen frying pan, a lot of folks do one of the saddest things about the actual music ... hide it and not show it to anyone ... and then who is to gain? The mice?

I do think that good manners and appreciation for the music, would be more important, and even if your take (or anyone else's) is way too small, it is likely to be more than having it hidden and not shown anywhere, No?

It's just sad that in my older days, I get to see something like this come to fruition ... the material that inspired me for so long, all of a sudden is not important ... and has to be hidden and not heard anywhere, good or bad, bootleg via cassette (olden days) or via smartphone these days. I have never heard anyone complaint in the Grateful Dead folks ... and they have only gotten bigger, and better known because of it ... instead of hoping for a payday in the sky that will never come.

Some of us here in the American West Coast, will never get to see these folks, and enjoy their work or have a chance to say hello ... and while something like the pages mentioned above are unusual, in the end, I feel like I met Richard, and he made sure that I enjoyed things ... while others did not do so. One can only hope that much from any artist ... and I can only hope that things come around and well for everyone ... so at the very least we can all fall away from this earthly address with a smile ... we did our best for the music and the art form.

Now back to one of my favorite albums ... Caravan of Dreams ... and end up having fun blowing bubbles ... 

(Edit later) ... reminds me of the Frank Zappa vault, where thousands and thousands of tapes were saved in his lifetime, and no one will ever hear it ... it just seems like such a waste. And I bet some work that is better than what we have heard is still buried ... sorry Mr. Stewart ... hopefully it will all come together, somehow.


Edited by moshkito - February 15 2025 at 11:18
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A legend himself appears, wish it was under better circumstances though. 
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Dave Stewart (Egg, Hatfield and the North & National Health keyboardist) here. For the record, Richard Sinclair's Bandcamp page was created by Robert Carlberg without my knowledge - I heard about it belatedly from a friend who was concerned about the large quantity of unauthorised Hatfield tapes on sale. Neither Robert Carlberg nor Richard ever sought my consent, despite both having my email address. Mr. Carlberg stated I had given consent with no evidence, and never checked with me to confirm his erroneous statement. There is no "back and forth" concerning my performer's rights: under European and UK law, musicians have an exclusive and permanent performer's right in recordings which feature them regardless of who made the recording. Such performances don't need to be registered, they exist from the moment the recording is made. No one else may use or sell the recording without the performer's consent. Needless to say, I never gave permission for the numerous bootlegs on Richard's Bandcamp page to be recorded.
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Quote Former bandmembers not sharing in the revenue? Dave is the only living bandmate from Hatfield, and he's given his consent. 


I stand corrected.  The esteemed Mr Stewart himself has let me know he does NOT give his consent, and asked me to correct my post from 13½ months ago.

We are still going back and forth about what rights he has as a performer on an uncopyrighted audience recording.


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I can be pretty frustrating trying to find good recordings to post (there are some even I won't use). Nic Sinclair has some that his dad Dave doesn't want released. Aymeric Leroy has some that he isn't comfortable sharing with me. Dave Stewart, Mike Murphy and Bill Bruford are notoriously tight with unreleased material. Rich is more-than-happy to put everything out there... but he has no way to digitize it. Confused  Luckily most of the friends Rich suggested are happy to share.
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