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Easy Money
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^ Sounds absolutely dreadful.
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Nogbad_The_Bad
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Review of the recent Palladium show that a friend of mine was at
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Ian
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Frets N Worries
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This thread is for the Time redux, there is already a thread on the whole album
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The Wheel of Time Turns, and Ages come and pass. What was, what will be, and what is, may yet fall under the shadow.
Let the Dragon ride again on the winds of time... |
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MikeEnRegalia
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^ I think he earns way more money from touring than from CD/vinyl/download sales.
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Catcher10
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Nah...why?? It's a Waters money grab, profiting off a resurgence from the vinyl community if u ask me.
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MikeEnRegalia
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Here's a thread where we can discuss Ukraine (if we want to) ... tomorrow the DSOTM Redux album will be released, at least then this thread should turn back towards discussing it. :-)
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Catcher10
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I've seen and heard this myself on my business trips to China, which were back in 2006-2010 visiting wood mfgs and all we heard was how they did not see any future for internal growth. Most of the current work force at that time was very old, slowing down and dying off....Even if the younger generation was interested in the work there are not enough volume to replace, for sure nowhere near a 1:1 ratio. Yes the US moving away from SE Asia as a supply chain provider is good, some segments have been doing this but some are too late. Imagine what someone like Walmart would go thru if China collapsed......
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MikeEnRegalia
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^ I don't really know what you're saying there - hard to parse. But in any case, when it comes to economic power Russia seems to be doing great, as the sanctions are mostly hurting European countries.
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moshkito
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Hi, And in this case it was/is about adding to the economic power of the country ... which we know did not happen ... but then, many a leader made severe mistakes that caused them to fall ... just crazy that this one does not see that in history! He must have really been given the Uncle Scrooge Theory of something or other!
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MikeEnRegalia
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Maybe it was also because in the days and weeks before the invasion Ukraine was intensifying the bombardement of the Donbass and Zelenski and NATO were making increasingly aggressive remarks about making Ukraine a part of NATO and stationing nuclear weapons there, when all the time Russia had been saying that they see this as an existential threat and Ukraine has to stay neutral? Doesn't justify the invasion, but as you also said, Putin has nukes. It's pretty reckless to treat him as if he hadn't. Geopolitics is not about ethics or justice, it's about power.
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MikeEnRegalia
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Who is putting forward that idea?
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richardh
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Putin was never forced into anything, the idea that he had no choice but to invade Ukraine is just plain daft. Its pretty clear he did it because he was lead to believe that it would be quick and easy and Ukraine would fold. However never understimate the power of patrotism and a feeling of duty to one's country. Up to a point it served Hitler well and similarly Putin has a lot of support as does Zelenski of course. The situation is incredibly dangerous and we've still not got to a point where Putin will eventually be defeated like Hitler was. Hitler didn't have nuclear weapons though and thank the god he didn't because none of us would be here now typing away.
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MikeEnRegalia
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I know what you wrote, and it suggests a very binary view of the situation - it’s either completely Putin’s fault, or 100% the West. If I got that wrong, please do accept my apology. |
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^ You have no idea what I think and what I already know but thanks for your lessons. Let's leave it at that with the off topic.
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MikeEnRegalia
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It's all black or white to you, isn't it? In reality it is Any Color You Like. Listen to the Mearsheimer talk I linked to above, he explains quite clearly why Putin never intended to "take" the Ukraine.
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Psychedelic Paul
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Hey Grumpy! Your thread appears to have gone slightly off-topic through no fault of your own. Time to set the record straight..... I love Roger's redux version of Time, with only faint Echoes of the original version. One of These Days I may even go out and buy it, although they say a fool is easily parted with his Money.
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Sean Trane
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^^^ If NATO hadn't advanced its pawn in Eastern Europe against Russia for almost three decades (90's to 20's), we wouldn't be facing this situation. We have systematically refused to hear Russia's fears & insecurities for 30 years and kept onwards in our "capitalo-military march" eastbound. Of course, Putin's aggression is unqualified and legitimates NATO's sordid & twisted expansion politics. Indeed, this legitimately pushed Sweden & Finland into our toxic arms and arms and harm. We've discussed this in PM before, not only about Ukraine, but also in EC's member Latvia's important Russian minorities, where 300 000 russianophones (15% of Latvia's population) are denied citizenship and therefore can't be counted along the other russianspeakers who have it (another 25% of the population)
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let's just stay above the moral melee
prefer the sink to the gutter keep our sand-castle virtues content to be a doer as well as a thinker, prefer lifting our pen rather than un-sheath our sword |
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Lewian
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^ Are you saying NATO should've told Putin "you can have Ukraine, fine by us"? Sure, it's all "the west"'s fault if Russia decides to invade Ukraine...
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Sean Trane
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Not sure Putin enjoys North Korea as a partner at all, but since he's being pushed (by us westerners), he's probably feeling compelled to at least to see what his direct neighbor (couple of hundreds of kms from Vladivostok) is doing with his army. The west pushed Russia into China's arms AFAIAC, and we (the' whole planet) will be sorry in the mid-future (the Artic route being rebuilt by China) .
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let's just stay above the moral melee
prefer the sink to the gutter keep our sand-castle virtues content to be a doer as well as a thinker, prefer lifting our pen rather than un-sheath our sword |
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progaardvark
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Let me rephrase that to "allegedly looking." It is curious that Sergei Shoigu went to North Korea and inspected North Korean missiles and later Kim Jong Un went to Russia and inspected bombers, hypersonic missiles, and warships. Perhaps nothing, perhaps just two leaders seeing how big their penises are. Beats me.
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