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Snicolette 
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Thank you for the Chieftains vote, Anders! And yes, much thanks for the instrument information to Mirakase and Mila!
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The Anders
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Posted: September 16 2021 at 14:13 |
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Thanks to Mirakaze and Mila for explaining the instruments :) These are my votes: The Chieftains ft. Akiko Jano: Sake in the Jar IRL/JPN Toshimaru Nakamura: Live @Japanorama Monks of DipTseChokLing Monast: For Gya Ling&Dung Chen,Tibet Honorabe mentions: Jambinai: Onda/Prelude KOR Isfar Sarabski & Band: Novruz AZE
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Posted: September 16 2021 at 01:18 |
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The name of that string instrument is 'tar'; it belongs to the family of long-necked, waisted lutes used by many cultures in and near the Caucasus and Central Asia. Here you have an overview of all traditional music instruments used in that region. |
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Posted: September 15 2021 at 14:40 |
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My picks are as follows: 3. Jambinai - Onda I'm not a huge fan of most post-rock and I've never paid this band much attention for that reason, but the traditional Korean instrumentation certainly adds a whole new dimension and flavour to this style of music that I can certainly appreciate. 2. Geinoh Yamashirogumi - Osorezan This group I'm familiar with because of their work on the Akira OST and their 1990 release Ecophony Gaia; this is a much less "listener-friendly" side of theirs that I wasn't aware of. I'll definitely try to check out more of their older works. 1. Isfar Sarabski - Novruz I don't think it was as specifically Asian-sounding as my other two selections but this is what I was most engaged by while listening to this playlist. A fantastic performance.
The titular Dung Chen and Gya Ling are the names of the instruments, the former being the low-pitched 12-foot metal trumpets and the latter being the high-pitched "bagpipes" (the liner notes to my disc copy describe them as oboes but they're actually more related to the zurna). Both are played in pairs.
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Posted: September 15 2021 at 09:30 |
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Last batch Isfar Sarabski &
Band: Novruz AZE Very intimate
atmosphere in the beginning with only the piano. The main chord
progression after the intro reminds me a bit of ”Everything in the
Right Place” by Radiohead. Before the 2:00 mark, a band sets in,
including, double bass, drums, violins, cello, plus a string
instrument that I am not familiar with. We get a few bars with the
7/8 time signature. Then the piano is alone again, and we move into a
traditional jazz trio section with double bass and drums. The
previously mentioned string instrument has a solo from just before
5:00. Looking at the frets, it appears it was built to contain
microintervals of some sort (some frets are very close). I am aware
that music from that area often contains microintervals, so it should
come as no surprise. Then there’s a piano solo which gets kind of
”wild” towards the end. Very enjoyable performance, and it is
another contender. Baraka: Balinese
Monkey Chant IDN The music here
starts in quite a cinematic mood until there’s a very surprisng
transition to a rather wild choir. It reminds me a bit of the Finnish
shouting choir Mieskuoro Huutajat. I like it a lot. Nursat Fateh Ali
Khan: Mustt Mustt PAK This one has reggae
vibes, and there is a funky slap bass too. Call-and-response between
the main singer and the backing vocalists. There’s an accordion too
(I think). Monks of
DipTseChokLing Monast: For Gya Ling&Dung Chen,Tibet The thing is,
despite being traditional Tibetan sacred music (so the description
says), it sounds kind of avant-garde to my ears. But then avant-garde
music from the western world is often inspired by music from other
parts of the world. I wonder if it is some sort of bagpipe that we
hear? The low-pitched wind instruments sounds like a tuba or a deep
trombone, but I believe it is a local instrument too. I wish the info
in the clip provided informantion about this. I like this piece a lot
too. Contender. Edited by The Anders - September 15 2021 at 09:30 |
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Posted: September 14 2021 at 15:56 |
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Second batch Mono: Nowhere, Now
Here JPN Starts with some
silent guitar in the left channel. Bass and lead guitar enter after a
minute or so. The arrangement builds up gradually with more
instruments (cellos). Around 3:20 there is a sudden change of tempo
and mood, and the music becomes more like metal (the more soft
corners of it). A whole string orchestra is added along with the rock
instrumentation. The electric guitars beomre more prominent in the
soundscape after some time. It all culminates around 8:00. Not so
much my thing, but it’s not uninteresting. Poor violinists, they
have to try and read the notes while all these epileptic light
effects are on. The Chieftains ft.
Akiko Jano: Sake in the Jar IRL/JPN This one begins with
some drums.. Then the music moves towards a folkish sound containing
a pentatone melody which is sung with a lot of ornamentation.
Instruments include flutes, some string instruments, a marrimba (?)
and a harp. From 3:00 there is also some jazzy piano. Very charming,
and it is a strong contender for my part. Toshimaru Nakamura:
Live @Japanorama We are in the
experimental electronic area here. It builds very slowly with some
very dissonant sounds that are sort of floating around (probably as a
result of being out of tune, thus creating a vibrating sound). Very
minimalistic. Around 3:00 a ”beat” of sorts is faded in while the
previous sounds fade out. Various sounds are floating in and out
while the ”beat” is on, including, after 8:00, what sounds like
electronic feedback. The beat fades out, and the ”feedback” is
alone as the track moves towards the end. The music ends rather
abruptly. Strong contender. Altin Gün: Tatli
Dile Güler Yüze TUR/NLD I knew some songs by
Altin Gün, but not this one. The song is in the funk-rock universe,
with a prominent guitar riff in the instrumental sections. Think I liked some of their other songs a bit better, but I enjoy this one too. Fatih Erkoç:
Emmoglu TUR The song starts with
oriental sounds in the Lydian mode, but then the music changes to
something more American, complete with Louis Armstrong type of
”growl”. Then back again to the oriental, and at last he goes
hard rock. Overall it’s more like a medley than a song, and it’s
a tad too gimmicky for my taste. But tastes differ. Edited by The Anders - September 14 2021 at 15:56 |
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Posted: September 12 2021 at 14:34 |
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@Lorenzo I'm glad that you enjoyed the poll! It's not easy to find a new topic after so many editions.  Edited by Mila-13 - September 12 2021 at 14:35 |
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Posted: September 12 2021 at 14:23 |
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This was a first attempt to
approach traditional music from East and Southest Asia that I am hardly familiar
with. I used the term ‘ethnic music’ as a synonym for ‘roots music’ and as a
differentiation from ‘folk music or song’. Based on the traditional music from
Japan, Tibet and Bali that we have seen here I was trying to recognize some characteristics
and put them in relation to what I know. I am aware that this is a greatly
simplified view. But my intention was primarily to point out this contrast between tradition and this distinctive individualism that we can see in the contemporary work of the Japanese video game music composer Kikuo and the free imporvision of Toshimaru Nakamura That is why I put it up for discussion since music from that
part of Asia was well represented in this poll. Another reason why I decided to
introduce an artist from Azerbaijan since oriental music and music from India
and Pakistan is what I know best from Asia. Edited by Mila-13 - September 12 2021 at 17:08 |
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Posted: September 12 2021 at 13:53 |
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Thank you for the vote. As for how modern it is, the piece is composed by Dewa Alit (whom you can see conducting towards the end of the clip), and without being an expert on Gamelan music, I believe it would count as a modern take on the genre. A bit like much of the folk music that is made in Europe today btw.
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Excellent poll!
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Amos Goldberg (professor of Genocide Studies at the Hebrew University in Jerusalem): Yes, it's genocide. It's so difficult and painful to admit it, but we can no longer avoid this conclusion.
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MY PODIUM AND SPECIAL AWARDS_ I see two masterpieces in this poll, two very elaborate and inspired pieces, which involved me a lot (even more than my Ali Khan, which I consider an excellent song with a great impact for the author's vocals but not a true masterpiece) and these are: 1) Geinoh Yamashirogumi: Osorezan 2) Jambinai: Onda/Prelude KOR For third place, I have several candidates: - The Chieftains ft. Akiko Jano: Sake in the Jar IRL/JPN - Isfar Sarabski & Band: Novruz AZE - Black String: Hanging Gardens of Babylon (GREAT AND PUMPED MINI SUITE) -Baraka: Balinese Monkey Chant Which one to choose? I go with the ethnic choir of 3) the Balinese Monkey Chant So, 4) Black String (almost masterpiece) 5) Isfar Srabskj 6) Akiko Jano plus the honorable mentions already ... mentioned. Grand Prix of the public: -Fatih Erkoç: Emmoglu TUR -Mono Grand Critics' Prize: Toshimaru Nakamura: Live @Japanorama -----
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Thanks, Mike, in fact the song last almost 10 minutes, very poerful and aggressive. Wonderful
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I used to pride myself on my memory, but in recent years it has declined significantly. It doesn't help that I sleep so little. Recently, though, I must admit that I haven't been paying as much attention to the posts as I used to and am more likely to just wait for the playlist to go up to listen and not listen as many times as I used to. Or at least I think so, I forget. 
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Posted: September 12 2021 at 09:48 |
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Other impressions: Monks of DipTseChokLing Monast: For Gya Ling & Dung Chen, Tibet The nice thing about this song, for my taste, is the sound of ethnic instruments. I have practiced Zen meditation and Qi Gong, and I have already heard something similar. Overall, the result is hypnotic and perhaps a little boring if a person listens to it not for meditation. Honorable mention. Baraka: Balinese Monkey Chant This is a tribal song, hypnotic, as always happens with tribal dances and songs, the valuable thing is the singing, which takes on rhythmic figures worthy of the verses of the birds. In its own way, this too is experimentation. Contender or honorable mention. Isfar Sarabski & Band: Novruz; this is a syncopated instrumental piece with a progressive beginning and then western jazz digressions, then the syncopated piece restarts to reach a crescendo final climax. Contender or honorable mention. Fatih Erkoç: Emmoglu: this song starts melodic, turns into an American style blues, comes a jazz trumpet solo (the best part of the song), then the same sequence starts again with an instrumental piece at the end. The mix of musical genres here is achieved in a brutal way, with very strong passages. Altin Gün: Tatli Dile Güler Yüze: Basically is a syncopated blues with an oriental guitar swing and singing, quite pumped pop music, very enjoyable. Mono: Nowhere, Now Here A ten and a half minute piece, instrumental, very pumped up mini suite. I like the soft beginning more. Honorable mention
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Lorenzo, Apparently you did only listen to the prelude part which is an intro. This was supposed to have been combined with the track "Onda" and should have been a total of over 9 minutes. It sounds like you missed the main part of the video. I noticed that it is listed wrong in the voting section as it should read.... Jambinai - "Prelude/Onda" You heard the prelude part but missed the main part of the video.
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Hahaha, this probably means both of us have a weak enough memory that we can "forget" who posted what when going through the playlist.  I know it works for me, chances are it wouldn't work for somebody with an at least "normal" (?) memory. Otherwise, thanks a lot for the kind words!
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I'm so happy it was appreciated. I know it could seem a bit too extreme and over-the-top for some in part. I know lots of Geinoh Yamashirogumi and find that a very unique piece. I like everything about it, and really enjoy the Krautrock-like groove to it as well as the cultural qualities that come through. When I mention that track to others, I usually preface it with a quote from the film Barbarella: "A good many dramatic situations begin with screaming." Interestingly, though maybe not surprising, you choice was my number one this round. I too avoided paying attention to who posted what. I didn't know or remember that that was yours and also don't wish to be biased against voting for someone's choice who I have voted for various time before in my desire for equal opportunity. That said, everyone in these polls has posted music that I really like, so not sure how much that would effect me. I wanted to post your post in full because it resonates with me on my thinking process when it comes to deciding, and this is me sharing related thoughts and tangents as I often do. I commonly don't like to analyse music that much and instead just experience it without my mind ticking over (like a meditative state of mind stillness without intrusive thoughts), which is one reason why I don't tend to review music much or comment that much on the music generally. Such analysis can spoil my pleasure. I would be comfortable approaching it as you have there. I remember writing papers on films where afterwards, despite having been favourites, I never wanted to watch them again. If there are two similar sounding tracks, even if I really like both, I am less likely to want to vote for both, and so will go with the one that has some edge to me. The more unique ones, maybe not intrinsically but in comparison to others in the list, tend to stand out. I knew I wanted to do Osorezan from the get go, and it is a unique offering in the list (most are in their ways). I also found your choice unique in the list, and such expression does really appeal to me. Like you, I like the Mono very much (also unique in the list) and despite knowing it well already, I was tempted. As always, plenty of great ones to choose from. I am constantly impressed with the selections in these polls, and love being exposed to new musical avenues. It gets me listening to things properly of an ilk that I might not otherwise and appreciating the diversity. Edited by Logan - September 12 2021 at 09:17 |
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Even though I am just waking up, have not yet had coffee, so will not be terribly erudite, I agree so much with this, Kees. The quest for and the definining, insistence upon purity can be a very dangerous thing, indeed. Strength in diversity and all that, which this poll certainly illustrated. And always, in the end, just personal appreciation and preferences. I would add that the sharing here can also expand those things that we appreciate and prefer, with the exposure to them, it is something I have certainly experienced herein.
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Thanks for the answer Christian, because, in fact, I was going to ask you how you approach this music, that is, what is the way and the moment in which you listen to it. I am ignorant of electronic music (or electronic musical experiments) and in fact I often wonder what kind of approach it requires, because in my opinion cultured music or jazz or electronic often requires a different listening in comparison to that of rock. For example, you don't listen to a rock piece while you are meditating, unless it is a moving meditation, such as those designed by Osho. I also did Zen meditation, but we were silent, while some oriental or new age music would be good for meditation at the end of the yoga sessions. What you tell me is an experiment of integration between music and you who meditate and hear other sounds and noises around you, a bit like Cage's 4 minutes and 33 of silence, which has its meaning especially live, where you hear the noises surrounding. In any case I am interested in sound research, in fact I love the Beatles who among the firsts made it starting from Rubber Soul / Revolver, and if I ask you for information it is because when you post experimental electronic music that combines sound experimentation with a musical score (as you did in the penultimate poll), the masterpiece often comes out, so this Japanese artist might be interesting to me if he tried to write less extreme pieces. |
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Akiko Jano.
I know this song well because I have this Chieftans album, which I liked very much although not as much as the previous one (where Ry Cooder, Sting, Van Morrison etc. were). This is a hybrid song between Celtic folk and Japanese atmospheres and singing, very soft and pleasant, with interesting moments especially when the interpreter sings, the music always remains on an accompanying level, it does not have great narrative moments. There is no climax but it is all very pleasant.
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