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    Posted: July 30 2023 at 01:29
Originally posted by Hugh Manatee Hugh Manatee wrote:

Originally posted by Necrotica Necrotica wrote:

... I think that song is criminally underrated as far as Floyd ballads go. Absolutely beautiful, and I love the calming atmosphere 

I totally agree. It is Roger Waters putting his soft side on full display without a hint of his trademark cynicism. 

Perhaps there are those who might feel it is out of place after the aural assault of "One of These Days". It certainly is the calm after the storm.


Yup, nothing "soft" can come after One Of These Days' aggression (maybe The Nile Song).

But there is more than Seamus on that album that should've been cut off.
San Tropez is iuseless and I could skip the kenghty football chants as well.

There were other tracks that should've found a real album spot (thinking of Embryo, or Cymbalene (not the More version) instead of those 2.5 duds ending the A-side. 

Originally posted by Magog2112 Magog2112 wrote:

Genesis - ...And Then There Were Three...: "Scenes from a Night's Dream" Follow You FM
Genesis - Genesis: "Illegal Alien"
Genesis - Selling England By the Pound: "More Fool Me"
Genesis - Wind & Wuthering: "All In a Mouse's Night" Your Own Special Way
Pink Floyd - Meddle: "Seamus"
Steve Hackett - Spectral Mornings: "The Ballad of the Decomposing Man"


I totally agree with the rest Wink

Rainbow Rising : Do you Close Your Eyes

That one is a real clunker, destroying the perfetc Hard Rockness of Rising
To think they extended (sometimes up to 15 minutesShocked)  that track to end their concerts as well. Dead

Originally posted by SuperMetro SuperMetro wrote:

So my good album with a bad song would be maybe Providence by King Crimson on the album Red. The song following it is awesome though. 


I much prefer Moonchild (at least it starts out excellent) to Providence, but I wouldn't classify either as "songs".
"Tracks" seem much more appropriate. Wink

But yeah, both +/- kill the "Perfect Masteriece" of the album they "grace" their presence on.


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Genesis - ...And Then There Were Three...: "Scenes from a Night's Dream"
Genesis - Genesis: "Illegal Alien"
Genesis - Selling England By the Pound: "More Fool Me"
Genesis - Wind & Wuthering: "All In a Mouse's Night"
Led Zeppelin - Led Zeppelin III: "Hats Off to (Roy) Harper"
Pendragon - The World: "Prayer"
Peter Gabriel - Peter Gabriel III: "Family Snapshot"
Peter Gabriel - Us: "Kiss That Frog"
Pink Floyd - Meddle: "Seamus"
Steve Hackett - Spectral Mornings: "The Ballad of the Decomposing Man"
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Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

Gilmour said in some interviews his early years with PF were difficult, he felt like he didn't know what he was doing. Confused And Atom Heart Mother is one of his least favorite albums. Confused
So with Echoes & Meddle, he did come into his own, you are right. 

I seem to recall reading somewhere that Gilmour wasn't very confident about his singing, which is the reason he buried his vocals on "The Narrow Way", which is quite a shame because I really like that song and long for a remix that brings his vocals more to the fore.
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Originally posted by Hugh Manatee Hugh Manatee wrote:

Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

As far as i know Waters was the co-writer. It's credited Gimour/Waters. 
I always thought it's a Gilmour song, he sang on it after all. 

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That's interesting. For some reason I always tought it was a Waters song, perhaps because I sought of equate it to "Grandchester Meadows".

I bow to your superior knowledge.

Gilmour certainly seemed to come into his own with "Meddle".

The Pink Floyd songwriting credits give me a headache anyway. I mean I hear Wright and Gilmour in the song and then I see  - oh well, it's  Waters song. AngryLOL Really? 

Gilmour said in some interviews his early years with PF were difficult, he felt like he didn't know what he was doing. Confused And Atom Heart Mother is one of his least favorite albums. Confused
So with Echoes & Meddle, he did come into his own, you are right. 
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Gilmour was definitely the main writer, but I do enjoy Waters' contribution as well. The way the fretless bass slides up and down octaves creates such a wonderfully hypnotic drone effect Smile
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Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

As far as i know Waters was the co-writer. It's credited Gimour/Waters. 
I always thought it's a Gilmour song, he sang on it after all. 

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That's interesting. For some reason I always tought it was a Waters song, perhaps because I sought of equate it to "Grandchester Meadows".

I bow to your superior knowledge.

Gilmour certainly seemed to come into his own with "Meddle".


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Originally posted by Hugh Manatee Hugh Manatee wrote:

Originally posted by Necrotica Necrotica wrote:

... I think that song is criminally underrated as far as Floyd ballads go. Absolutely beautiful, and I love the calming atmosphere 

I totally agree. It is Roger Waters putting his soft side on full display without a hint of his trademark cynicism. 

Perhaps there are those who might feel it is out of place after the aural assault of "One of These Days". It certainly is the calm after the storm.

As far as i know Waters was the co-writer. It's credited Gimour/Waters. 
I always thought it's a Gilmour song, he sang on it after all. 
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Originally posted by Necrotica Necrotica wrote:

... I think that song is criminally underrated as far as Floyd ballads go. Absolutely beautiful, and I love the calming atmosphere 

I totally agree. It is Roger Waters putting his soft side on full display without a hint of his trademark cynicism. 

Perhaps there are those who might feel it is out of place after the aural assault of "One of These Days". It certainly is the calm after the storm.


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A Pillow of Winds is my favorite song after Echoes on that album LOL

Seriously though, I think that song is criminally underrated as far as Floyd ballads go. Absolutely beautiful, and I love the calming atmosphere 
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Originally posted by tdfloyd tdfloyd wrote:

Gonna catch some heat for this but "A Pillow of Winds" on Pink Floyd's Meddle.  Most are going to pick Seamus.  It's a fun song.  I even named my dog Seamus! 

Here's my opinion to warm your hands by.

I really like "A Pillow of Winds" as I like the rest of the album except for, yes, "Seamus".

I can excuse it up to a point, especially on vinyl where it is easy to just skip or serve as a signal to get ready to turn the album over and bask in the glory that is "Echoes".

On CD it's a little more intrusive but I can live with it on an album that I consider to be overall one of the best ever produced.
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I admit I struggle with "moonchild" but I've learned to just see it as something to just kind of tune out to or relax to rather than be actively angry with it. I admit it's possible there is some kind of purpose or point to it but I haven't figured out what it is yet. I also don't hate it though. The first two minutes are fine and even for a bit after that but I think if it was a bit more composed and went into a different direction it could have been more interesting. 

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"Moonchild" is definitely an album track and needs to be listened to within the context of the rest of the album. Zoning out to the extended improvised percussion section adds to the impact when the title track storms in. The title track loses a little of its impact for me without the "Moonchild" lead in. Still it would have been nice in my opinion to include an edit of the first (vocal) section on an expanded edition of the album but this might fly in the face of all that the album (and prog) stands for.
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Originally posted by I prophesy disaster I prophesy disaster wrote:

Originally posted by Argentinfonico Argentinfonico wrote:

It would completely exclude "Genesis Ch. 1 V. 32" from the album I Robot.

 
No way!! That's one of my favourite tracks from the album. Have you ever looked up Genesis Ch. 1 V. 32 in the Bible?

Yes, I did. I'm sorry man
 
Ok, so you get why it is such a brilliantly appropriate title for the track on the album?
 



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<font face=" sans, Arial, sans-serif">It would completely exclude "Genesis Ch. 1 V. 32" from the album I Robot.

 
No way!! That's one of my favourite tracks from the album. Have you ever looked up <span style="font-family: sans, Arial, sans-serif;">Genesis Ch. 1 V. 32 in the Bible?</span>
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Possibly controversial opinion but:

Opeth - Burden. I love Watershed, but Burden is always the one song that's generally a chore for me to get through. The first half is good, but the solo in the second half is way too droning and meandering - especially when Mikael and Fredrik play the same harmonized riff with each other for what feels like a solid 2-3 minutes. Watershed's one of my favorite Opeth albums, but that song was always the one blemish on it for me Unhappy 


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Originally posted by Argentinfonico Argentinfonico wrote:

It would completely exclude "Genesis Ch. 1 V. 32" from the album I Robot.
 
No way!! That's one of my favourite tracks from the album. Have you ever looked up Genesis Ch. 1 V. 32 in the Bible?
 
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Originally posted by Steve Wyzard Steve Wyzard wrote:

Originally posted by Argentinfonico Argentinfonico wrote:

It would completely exclude "Genesis Ch. 1 V. 32" from the album I Robot.

I'm a huge fan of that album, and have no problem with the closing song, which, to me, always seemed to "sum everything up" without actually using words.

If anything on that album had to be excluded, I would immediately pick "Total Eclipse". While giving Andrew Powell three minutes to channel his inner-Ligeti, there's nothing specifically about it that seems to tie-in with the rest of the album's concept. In other words, this track could have been included on any other Project album without it affecting anything. Which is not to say I don't like it.

Total Eclipse doesn't convince me much either, but somehow it can fit in. I love that album too, I've listened to it dozens and dozens of times. My favourite part consists of the first 6 tracks, then I'm not so fond of the rest. "Some Other Time" really gets me emotional.
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Originally posted by Argentinfonico Argentinfonico wrote:

It would completely exclude "Genesis Ch. 1 V. 32" from the album I Robot.

I'm a huge fan of that album, and have no problem with the closing song, which, to me, always seemed to "sum everything up" without actually using words.

If anything on that album had to be excluded, I would immediately pick "Total Eclipse". While giving Andrew Powell three minutes to channel his inner-Ligeti, there's nothing specifically about it that seems to tie-in with the rest of the album's concept. In other words, this track could have been included on any other Project album without it affecting anything. Which is not to say I don't like it.
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It would completely exclude "Genesis Ch. 1 V. 32" from the album I Robot.
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I would include "Don't Kill the Whale" from "Tormato," but the song has since become a live favorite of mine.  

However, when Tormato first came out, my friends and I used to skip that song immediately. 
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Although Kate Bush has been mentioned twice with songs I have no problem with whatsoever, I haven't found the in my ear most obvious example for this thread, which is The Big Sky on the otherwise fabulous Hounds of Love. 
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