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By white do you mean off-white, eggshell, chalk or creme?
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Awesoreno wrote:

^Hey, we're getting somewhere here. Certainly farther than we were getting discussing whether or not "Jethro tull is the most anti-religious, religious."

Unfortunately MarcIsCringe posted the once to make the topic and then seems to have not been interested enough to engage thereafter.

MarcIsCringe wrote:

... My god is about having faith despite the church. Any thoughts?

I take issue with faith, and the notion of a God that would require faith to believe in it and that would desire both faith and worship.

I love this Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy quote about the Babel fish on God and faith:

Douglas Adams wrote:

Now it is such a bizarrely improbable coincidence that anything so mind-bogglingly useful could have evolved purely by chance that some thinkers have chosen to see it as the final and clinching proof of the non-existence of God.

The argument goes something like this: "I refuse to prove that I exist,'" says God, "for proof denies faith, and without faith I am nothing."

"But," says Man, "The Babel fish is a dead giveaway, isn't it? It could not have evolved by chance. It proves you exist, and so therefore, by your own arguments, you don't. QED."

"Oh dear," says God, "I hadn't thought of that," and promptly vanishes in a puff of logic.

"Oh, that was easy," says Man, and for an encore goes on to prove that black is white and gets himself killed on the next zebra crossing.

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^Hey, we're getting somewhere here. Certainly farther than we were getting discussing whether or not "Jethro tull is the most anti-religious, religious."

I also wasn't speaking in terms of light, which I do see as white being a combo o all color on the spectrum.

Darkness (black) is the absence of light itself.

Pelata wrote:

Frenetic Zetetic wrote:

White is actually all colors combined.

Black is the absence of color.

It's the exact opposite of that.

I think he means black is the result of the total absorption of light, white is total reflection.

nick_h_nz wrote:

BaldFriede wrote:

I always ask people who say "God doesn't exist" how they define God because most actually don't know. I even got the answer "I don't need to define him; he doesn't exist".

That is an entirely appropriate answer. It is virtually impossible to define something that does not exist. Defining god is no different to defining a vampire, a werewolf or the Loch Ness Monster. There are various definitions and descriptions of these creatures, some of which are contradictory. Any of the definitions are merely subjective, as no objective construct has yet been found in reality. Any definitions are realistically only attempts to define the unknown. So there is no need to define god, if one believes he doesn’t exist. No need and and no way....

Sorry, but that's nonsense. When you declare something to be non-existent you have to have a definition of it, else the statement is totally meaningless. "I have no idea what a wildebeest is, but it does not exist" simply doesn't work.

Vampires and werewolves have clear definitions. With the Loch Ness monster it is different; the descriptions vary a lot; the best definition for it is "giant creature of unknown species that lives in Loch Ness". But that's still a definition.

I have a definition for God that is actually scientific. My definition has to do with consciousness and where it comes from.

By the way: I highly recommend to read Raymond Smullyan's "Is God a Taoist?" It is absolute fascinating reading.

Edited by BaldFriede - April 27 2021 at 18:09

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Frenetic Zetetic wrote:

Awesoreno wrote:

Is white a color or the absence of color?

White is actually all colors combined.

Black is the absence of color.

The real question is, is the opposite of fire = water, or is the opposite of fire = no fire? Wink

I thought that was for pigments. Like if you look at a pigment wheel, magenta, cyan, and yellow together make white.

I thought for colors it was the other way around, where black was the combination, and white the absence. I might be wrong. But I do remember combining all paints in art class in elementary school and getting a brownish black.

Anywaaaaaaaay... Aqualung...

^ Oh, I "thought" Grumpy meant "postmodernists", while saying "posters". My bad.

Grumpyprogfan wrote:

ExittheLemming wrote:

I'm really not sure which brand of clueless PA poster is preferable: the post modernists who posit ducks are merely social constructs or the spiritual quacks?.

Don't know if your trying to be funny. Calling posters clueless is insulting and mean.

I agree with you both. Tongue

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