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Poll Question: Considering only albums released '75 to '82...who's your favorite?
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    Posted: December 19 2023 at 08:16
I love both, but voted for Led Zeppelin. Smile
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Originally posted by dr wu23 dr wu23 wrote:

Zep always over Sabbath in my book.

I have a Whole Lotta Love for Led Zeppelin in What is and What Should Never Be a win for Black Sabbath. Smile

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Zep always over Sabbath in my book.
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I feel like I shouldn't really be voting as I have heard all of those Zeppelin releases and of Sabbath, I only know the Sabotage album from the period well.   That said, I am voting for Led Zeppelin. Physical Graffiti, is I think amazing, I have a lot of love for In Through the Out Door, The Song Remains the Same is an excellent live album, and I like Presence (if not as much as the others). As for Coda, I haven't heard that enough or in too many years to have much an opinion (the only one of those that was never in my personal collection).
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Originally posted by The.Crimson.King The.Crimson.King wrote:

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LOL  Well, yeah, Oak '77 had some issues, but on the other hand it was a great tour considering Page & Bonham had become junkies and JPJ was handling much of the stage direction.

But seriously, to say the extended NQ should be cut down is just, well, kinda sad.
You like it and I don't, what's sad about that?  I think the extended NQ is tedious...it sure was in Oakland '77 LOL

Because it is a great track and because it was a high point in their shows.   There's no two ways about it, Quarter was a staple of their live act, open, thrilling, and showcased what they did best: really getting into the music on a level no one was doing back then, the jazz-like approach to improv, spontinaety, just... just awesome, dude.   I don't mean to insult you but it's like saying "Meh, Dazed & Confused is too long and indulgent"  or  "Bah, the live Whole Lotta Love is sloppy and stupid".   It just misses the whole point.   Might as well go see the Who and just leave it at that.
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Presence is ok, but Sabotage and Heaven And Hell?? Once again, Black Sabbath. Easily.
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Originally posted by Atavachron Atavachron wrote:

LOL  Well, yeah, Oak '77 had some issues, but on the other hand it was a great tour considering Page & Bonham had become junkies and JPJ was handling much of the stage direction.

But seriously, to say the extended NQ should be cut down is just, well, kinda sad.


You like it and I don't, what's sad about that?  I think the extended NQ is tedious...it sure was in Oakland '77 LOL
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I'd have done the both vote here....  RJD was no Ozzy but that was not a bad thing...  then again by that time Ozzy was no Ozzy of earlier vintage.. and Ozzy was no RJD... and those later Sabbath albums kicked Hillaryesque levels of ass.

Not a huge fan of LZ but there was some great stuff there across those albums..  especially a huge fan of Carouselambra off of In Through the Out Door.  Perhaps JPJ finest moment with the band...

put a gun against my head.. would have to vote based upon single favorite album of the period.. thus giving it to Sabbath
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Technical Ecstasy gave us : You Won’t Change Me, Gypsy, All Moving Parts.....and to an extent, Dirty Women. All great tracks.
Never Say Die gave us : Johnny Blade, Juniors Eyes, Shock Wave and Air Dance. All great tracks.
Heaven and Hell gave us : Neon Knights, Heaven and Hell, Die Young and Lonely Is The Word. All great tracks.
Presence gave us : Achilles Last Stand and Tea For One. The only great tracks.
Meh for the other Zepp albums......
Just my opinion, which stinks by all means, but I’m sticking to that analysis.
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Sabotage may be my favorite album here but apart from a couple of songs on Never Say Die! I don't need to hear any of the remaining BS material ever again. Even at its "worst" Led Zeppelin isn't that bad... and their classic era lasted a year longer and we got an additional solid album in Presence when Sabbath gave us Technical Exctasy. 
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LOL  Well, yeah, Oak '77 had some issues, but on the other hand it was a great tour considering Page & Bonham had become junkies and JPJ was handling much of the stage direction.

But seriously, to say the extended NQ should be cut down is just, well, kinda sad.





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Originally posted by Atavachron Atavachron wrote:

^ Trim No Quarter way back?    Surely you jest.   It is brilliant.   Further, the NQ versions of later years, especially in '75 & '77, have JPJ doing spectacular lengthy piano solos on his Grand.   Sorry but if you think the SRtS version needs trimming you aren't a true Zep lover.   And drop Moby Dick ??.   No, no, no. 

You're not getting it.   Please.




Not a true Zep lover?  Well, I sat through the train wreck that was the Oakland 7/24/77 show so that should count for something...but no need to worry, I have very little control over these things so I'm sure SRtS will remain exactly how it always has been...the songs will remain the same LOL


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I prefer Sabbath, but this period belongs to Zeppelin.

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This one is definitely easier.  Led Zeppelin for sure, though Sabotage by Black Sabbath was worthy of their best.

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^ Trim No Quarter way back?    Surely you jest.   It is brilliant.   Further, the NQ versions of later years, especially in '75 & '77, have JPJ doing spectacular lengthy piano solos on his Grand.   Sorry but if you think the SRtS version needs trimming you aren't a true Zep lover.   And drop Moby Dick ??.   No, no, no. 

You're not getting it.   Please.





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Like many others, I have to flip from Sabbath to LZ from '75 on.  There's barely any Sabbath songs from the remaining Ozzy years that I love (Symptom of the Universe being the exception and my favorite Tony evil riff) and other than Neon Knights, Sabbath + Dio doesn't work for me at all.

On the other side you have my fave LZ album Physical Graffiti + Song Remains the Same (which is mostly amazing if you leave off Moby Dick and trim No Quarter way back) + Presence (which I think is a very uneven album, but is carried by Achilles Last Stand, Nobody's Fault But Mine & Royal Orleans).  In fact, I was at the Oakland July '77 Sunday show super-disaster and Achilles was the high point of an otherwise very low energy way to play their final US show ever Ouch
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^ Presence only gets better with age.   My god what a tight (but loose) band.   Live versions of Achilles' were extraordinary.   "Nobody's Fault but Mine" also a personal fave.
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Originally posted by AEProgman AEProgman wrote:



Zep's Presence is my favorite album by them.  I still remember the first time I heard Achilles's Last Stand in a jeep on a dirt road in the middle of the Blue Ridge Mountains getting ready to go "tubing" down a river.  It has blown me away ever since.  The rest of the album just fits so well together IMHO, no songs are weak.  Nobody's Fault but Mine also another standout to me.  PG goes without saying...
 


Wow, Jim.  A fellow Presence devotee.  I raise my beer to you, my friend.  I gave my mini review in the other Sab/Zep thread, but to be brief, I agree. Consistent and cohesive. All the songs kick ass and they all feel like they "go together."

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