Forum Home Forum Home > Progressive Music Lounges > Prog Bands, Artists and Genres Appreciation
  New Posts New Posts RSS Feed - If You're New to Prog, Don't Start With Rush
  FAQ FAQ  Forum Search   Events   Register Register  Login Login

If You're New to Prog, Don't Start With Rush

 Post Reply Post Reply Page  123 7>
Author
Message Reverse Sort Order
Tom Ozric View Drop Down
Prog Reviewer
Prog Reviewer
Avatar

Joined: September 03 2005
Location: Olympus Mons
Status: Offline
Points: 15916
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Tom Ozric Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Topic: If You're New to Prog, Don't Start With Rush
    Posted: June 10 2018 at 05:50
To answer the O.P., even after so long, I recommend Caress Of Steel.
Back to Top
scruffydragon View Drop Down
Forum Senior Member
Forum Senior Member
Avatar

Joined: February 09 2008
Location: trowbridge
Status: Offline
Points: 250
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote scruffydragon Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 10 2018 at 05:30
Originally posted by starofsirius7 starofsirius7 wrote:

I am new to Prog. I had a bit a misleading journey though. I really liked In the Court of the Crimson King but never listened to other albums and was not aware that it was prog or of anything similar. Years later I got into Yes and when I went searching for more Greg Lake Crimson discovered ELP and then things started to click. To me is seems the average person isn't really aware of Pink Floyd or Rush being prog. I think people should go full throttle so they could easily tell what makes it different and if they like it. 
 
I was the same here. First I discovered Renaissance and Camel, then classic Yes came along followed by pre Collins Genesis, ELP, Tull, Floyd, Gentle Giant, and  PFM. I did not know they were Progressive despite knowing of the bands for many years before owning their albums. I did not even now that such a musical genre excisted. It was just a form of music I somehow connected with a common thread, one band led to another band in a line of discoveries long before the internet came into being.
 
As for Rush, Fly by night was my introduction. It was a cheap CD sold for a few quid so I picked up a copy as I really liked the cover art. I guess a lot of records were sold due to the really cool cover art back in the day. The track I picked up on for some unknown reason was By-Tor and the Snow Dog. It sort of opened the door for me to explore further and eventually move into more hard rock and metal.


Edited by scruffydragon - June 10 2018 at 05:32
Back to Top
SteveG View Drop Down
Forum Senior Member
Forum Senior Member
Avatar

Joined: April 11 2014
Location: Kyiv In Spirit
Status: Offline
Points: 20604
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote SteveG Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 04 2018 at 11:50
Originally posted by Catcher10 Catcher10 wrote:

Originally posted by SteveG SteveG wrote:

^Mmm..I never give it much thought but listening to prog must cost more then listening to straight rock genres. All those Steve Wilson remixes and the endless parade of box sets! LOL

According to Discogs there are 682 versions of the Sgt Pepper album, this includes all formats from 1967-2018 issue dates.
Some entries can be considered duplicates because of different matrix information within the same catalog#.....but a different pressing is a different pressing. Even if the number is 50% less.....

So that is where all your money has gone, the real scam.......LOLClap
Now I don't feel so guilty about spinning my old vinyl copy!
This message was brought to you by a proud supporter of the Deep State.
Back to Top
Mortte View Drop Down
Forum Senior Member
Forum Senior Member


Joined: November 11 2016
Location: Finland
Status: Offline
Points: 5538
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Mortte Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 04 2018 at 11:29
Originally posted by Mirror Image Mirror Image wrote:

I’d say start with The Beatles’ Sgt. Pepper’s and then move onto King Crimson’s In the Court of the Crimson King. Both of these albums were groundbreaking and really got so much of this music going.
I agree fully.
Back to Top
Mirror Image View Drop Down
Forum Senior Member
Forum Senior Member
Avatar

Joined: December 13 2011
Location: United States
Status: Offline
Points: 2111
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Mirror Image Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 04 2018 at 08:25
Originally posted by Jeffro Jeffro wrote:

Originally posted by Mirror Image Mirror Image wrote:

One problem with getting into any genre of music is actually relying on someone else to do the work for you. No one knows what sounds you’re gravitating towards. The best thing to do is to do some broad sampling. Everything from Genesis to Henry Cow to Gentle Giant to Premiata Forneria Marconi. If you don’t find anything you like, then it’s quite possible that progressive rock just isn’t for you.

Finding this site a few years ago really opened my eyes to tons of bands I'd never heard of and I've been sampling ever since. My latest 'finds' that I'm enjoying a great deal are Premiata Forneria Marconi and Salem Hill. 

Indeed. Premiata Forneria Marconi are awesome! I love that band. Getting into Progressivo Italiano earlier last year, I found all kinds of great bands, although PFM were a band I was already familiar with before I went face-first into that rather large musical pool.
“Music is enough for a lifetime but a lifetime is not enough for music.” - Sergei Rachmaninov
Back to Top
Mirror Image View Drop Down
Forum Senior Member
Forum Senior Member
Avatar

Joined: December 13 2011
Location: United States
Status: Offline
Points: 2111
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Mirror Image Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 04 2018 at 08:21
I’d say start with The Beatles’ Sgt. Pepper’s and then move onto King Crimson’s In the Court of the Crimson King. Both of these albums were groundbreaking and really got so much of this music going.
“Music is enough for a lifetime but a lifetime is not enough for music.” - Sergei Rachmaninov
Back to Top
Jeffro View Drop Down
Forum Senior Member
Forum Senior Member
Avatar

Joined: March 29 2014
Location: USA
Status: Offline
Points: 2163
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Jeffro Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 04 2018 at 05:17
Originally posted by Mirror Image Mirror Image wrote:

One problem with getting into any genre of music is actually relying on someone else to do the work for you. No one knows what sounds you’re gravitating towards. The best thing to do is to do some broad sampling. Everything from Genesis to Henry Cow to Gentle Giant to Premiata Forneria Marconi. If you don’t find anything you like, then it’s quite possible that progressive rock just isn’t for you.

Finding this site a few years ago really opened my eyes to tons of bands I'd never heard of and I've been sampling ever since. My latest 'finds' that I'm enjoying a great deal are Premiata Forneria Marconi and Salem Hill. 
Back to Top
Mortte View Drop Down
Forum Senior Member
Forum Senior Member


Joined: November 11 2016
Location: Finland
Status: Offline
Points: 5538
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Mortte Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 02 2018 at 22:12
^Well, I would say don´t start with ELP, Porcupine Tree, the Mars Volta, Marillion or Gentle Giant, just because I think they´re all kind of "cold" part of prog (of course specially Lake-made ELP songs are really warm, but there are also that technical music of Emerson in every album). But of course if instrument acrobatics is what you need, then ELP, Mars Volta & Gentle Giant are excellent choises!

I think also those three bands and specially their seventies output is greatest to start.
Back to Top
AFlowerKingCrimson View Drop Down
Forum Senior Member
Forum Senior Member
Avatar

Joined: October 02 2016
Location: Philly burbs
Status: Offline
Points: 18272
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote AFlowerKingCrimson Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 02 2018 at 14:25
Don't start with:

Dream Theater
Queensryche
Radiohead
Tool
Muse
Umphrey's McGee


Ok to start with:

ELP
Jethro Tull
Porcupine Tree
Peter Gabriel
Rick Wakeman
Mike Oldfield
The Mars Volta
Kansas
Marillion
Rush
Pink Floyd
Gentle Giant
Moody Blues

Best to start with:

Genesis (70's)
Yes
King Crimson


Edited by AFlowerKingCrimson - June 02 2018 at 14:26
Back to Top
noni View Drop Down
Forum Senior Member
Forum Senior Member
Avatar

Joined: October 03 2008
Location: Canada
Status: Offline
Points: 1092
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote noni Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 02 2018 at 14:13
Originally posted by Mirror Image Mirror Image wrote:

One problem with getting into any genre of music is actually relying on someone else to do the work for you. No one knows what sounds you’re gravitating towards. The best thing to do is to do some broad sampling. Everything from Genesis to Henry Cow to Gentle Giant to Premiata Forneria Marconi. If you don’t find anything you like, then it’s quite possible that progressive rock just isn’t for you.

Great selection there...  Also Camel, ELP ( Earlier albums) , Stackridge
Back to Top
Cambus741 View Drop Down
Forum Senior Member
Forum Senior Member
Avatar

Joined: August 12 2015
Location: Chelmsford
Status: Offline
Points: 1223
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Cambus741 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 02 2018 at 13:51
Is there such a thing as a 'starter band'?
Think it usually depends on who you heard or got into first and if it inspired you to try other bands.
Or if someone was there to guide you to progressive rock bands.

In my case it was Marillion that was my gateway into progressive rock when I was 15/16 in 1984/5
Back to Top
Mirror Image View Drop Down
Forum Senior Member
Forum Senior Member
Avatar

Joined: December 13 2011
Location: United States
Status: Offline
Points: 2111
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Mirror Image Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 02 2018 at 08:45
One problem with getting into any genre of music is actually relying on someone else to do the work for you. No one knows what sounds you’re gravitating towards. The best thing to do is to do some broad sampling. Everything from Genesis to Henry Cow to Gentle Giant to Premiata Forneria Marconi. If you don’t find anything you like, then it’s quite possible that progressive rock just isn’t for you.

Edited by Mirror Image - June 02 2018 at 08:46
“Music is enough for a lifetime but a lifetime is not enough for music.” - Sergei Rachmaninov
Back to Top
starofsirius7 View Drop Down
Forum Newbie
Forum Newbie
Avatar

Joined: March 15 2018
Location: Willow Farm
Status: Offline
Points: 17
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote starofsirius7 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 09 2018 at 20:40
As a new fan i'm not that knowledgeable but to me most of that list are classic prog staples. I think if a non prog fan listened to everyone on that list they would "get it" but I see your point. I'm 26 and my mom is in her 40's and I wanted to get her into Prog but so far i have not been that successful. She did like some ELP though. I also know of some younger ELP fans. Anyways that list pretty much got me into it.
Back to Top
AFlowerKingCrimson View Drop Down
Forum Senior Member
Forum Senior Member
Avatar

Joined: October 02 2016
Location: Philly burbs
Status: Offline
Points: 18272
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote AFlowerKingCrimson Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 09 2018 at 18:20
[To me is seems the average person isn't really aware of Pink Floyd or Rush being prog.]

I would agree. Yes, those are the two biggest ones probably that have the most non prog fans. However, I would say many fans of these bands also don't know about the term prog(or maybe only have a passing knowledge of it or heard it but never really bothered to research it more)(in order from most non prog fans to least imo):

Jethro Tull
Genesis
Dream  Theater (a lot of fans probably just think of them as metal and that's it)
Yes (many fans probably just think of them as classic rock)
ELP (ditto above)
Porcupine Tree
King Crimson
Gentle Giant (I doubt many GG fans don't know what prog is but thought I would put them at the end of the list anyway since there are probably some who knew them back in the day that never really figured out what prog is).





Edited by AFlowerKingCrimson - May 09 2018 at 18:22
Back to Top
starofsirius7 View Drop Down
Forum Newbie
Forum Newbie
Avatar

Joined: March 15 2018
Location: Willow Farm
Status: Offline
Points: 17
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote starofsirius7 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 09 2018 at 17:32
I am new to Prog. I had a bit a misleading journey though. I really liked In the Court of the Crimson King but never listened to other albums and was not aware that it was prog or of anything similar. Years later I got into Yes and when I went searching for more Greg Lake Crimson discovered ELP and then things started to click. To me is seems the average person isn't really aware of Pink Floyd or Rush being prog. I think people should go full throttle so they could easily tell what makes it different and if they like it. 
Back to Top
Catcher10 View Drop Down
Forum Senior Member
Forum Senior Member
Avatar
VIP Member

Joined: December 23 2009
Location: Emerald City
Status: Offline
Points: 17847
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Catcher10 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 02 2018 at 14:05
Originally posted by SteveG SteveG wrote:

^Mmm..I never give it much thought but listening to prog must cost more then listening to straight rock genres. All those Steve Wilson remixes and the endless parade of box sets! LOL

According to Discogs there are 682 versions of the Sgt Pepper album, this includes all formats from 1967-2018 issue dates.
Some entries can be considered duplicates because of different matrix information within the same catalog#.....but a different pressing is a different pressing. Even if the number is 50% less.....

So that is where all your money has gone, the real scam.......LOLClap


Edited by Catcher10 - May 02 2018 at 14:06
Back to Top
M27Barney View Drop Down
Forum Senior Member
Forum Senior Member
Avatar

Joined: November 09 2006
Location: Swinton M27
Status: Offline
Points: 3136
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote M27Barney Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 02 2018 at 05:22
However, we were never in the position that a "newbie" would find themselves in today....I think I'm learning how to hypnotise myself into liking music I once though of as "unlistenable" - suddenly VDGG and GG are going to become my favourite bands!
Back to Top
Frenetic Zetetic View Drop Down
Forum Senior Member
Forum Senior Member
Avatar

Joined: December 09 2017
Location: Now
Status: Offline
Points: 9233
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Frenetic Zetetic Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 01 2018 at 01:51
I'd ask a new listener what bands they currently enjoy, then try to find a transition from that style and work backwards into classic prog.

"I am so prog, I listen to concept albums on shuffle." -KMac2021
Back to Top
Jzrk View Drop Down
Forum Senior Member
Forum Senior Member
Avatar

Joined: February 21 2014
Location: Chicago
Status: Offline
Points: 126
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Jzrk Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 30 2018 at 20:34
That statement about Rush may be a bit short sided.I would approach someone who hasn’t listened to the genre per say by playing some snippets of some classic prog bands and see if anything peaks their curiosity and then start with what ever seemed to be interesting to them.You never know what type of music will spark an interest
Back to Top
hellogoodbye View Drop Down
Forum Senior Member
Forum Senior Member
Avatar
VIP member

Joined: August 29 2011
Location: Troy
Status: Offline
Points: 7251
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote hellogoodbye Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 28 2018 at 10:35
If you're not new to Prog, don't go on with Rush
Back to Top
 Post Reply Post Reply Page  123 7>

Forum Jump Forum Permissions View Drop Down



This page was generated in 0.195 seconds.
Donate monthly and keep PA fast-loading and ad-free forever.