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Tom Ozric
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Posted: June 10 2018 at 05:50 |
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To answer the O.P., even after so long, I recommend Caress Of Steel.
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scruffydragon
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I was the same here. First I discovered Renaissance and Camel, then classic Yes came along followed by pre Collins Genesis, ELP, Tull, Floyd, Gentle Giant, and PFM. I did not know they were Progressive despite knowing of the bands for many years before owning their albums. I did not even now that such a musical genre excisted. It was just a form of music I somehow connected with a common thread, one band led to another band in a line of discoveries long before the internet came into being. As for Rush, Fly by night was my introduction. It was a cheap CD sold for a few quid so I picked up a copy as I really liked the cover art. I guess a lot of records were sold due to the really cool cover art back in the day. The track I picked up on for some unknown reason was By-Tor and the Snow Dog. It sort of opened the door for me to explore further and eventually move into more hard rock and metal.
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Mirror Image
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Indeed. Premiata Forneria Marconi are awesome! I love that band. Getting into Progressivo Italiano earlier last year, I found all kinds of great bands, although PFM were a band I was already familiar with before I went face-first into that rather large musical pool.
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Mirror Image
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I’d say start with The Beatles’ Sgt. Pepper’s and then move onto King Crimson’s In the Court of the Crimson King. Both of these albums were groundbreaking and really got so much of this music going.
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“Music is enough for a lifetime but a lifetime is not enough for music.” - Sergei Rachmaninov
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Jeffro
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Finding this site a few years ago really opened my eyes to tons of bands I'd never heard of and I've been sampling ever since. My latest 'finds' that I'm enjoying a great deal are Premiata Forneria Marconi and Salem Hill.
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Mortte
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^Well, I would say don´t start with ELP, Porcupine Tree, the Mars Volta, Marillion or Gentle Giant, just because I think they´re all kind of "cold" part of prog (of course specially Lake-made ELP songs are really warm, but there are also that technical music of Emerson in every album). But of course if instrument acrobatics is what you need, then ELP, Mars Volta & Gentle Giant are excellent choises!
I think also those three bands and specially their seventies output is greatest to start.
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AFlowerKingCrimson
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Don't start with:
Dream Theater Queensryche Radiohead Tool Muse Umphrey's McGee Ok to start with: ELP Jethro Tull Porcupine Tree Peter Gabriel Rick Wakeman Mike Oldfield The Mars Volta Kansas Marillion Rush Pink Floyd Gentle Giant Moody Blues Best to start with: Genesis (70's) Yes King Crimson
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noni
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Great selection there... Also Camel, ELP ( Earlier albums) , Stackridge
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Cambus741
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Is there such a thing as a 'starter band'?
Think it usually depends on who you heard or got into first and if it inspired you to try other bands. Or if someone was there to guide you to progressive rock bands. In my case it was Marillion that was my gateway into progressive rock when I was 15/16 in 1984/5
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Mirror Image
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One problem with getting into any genre of music is actually relying on someone else to do the work for you. No one knows what sounds you’re gravitating towards. The best thing to do is to do some broad sampling. Everything from Genesis to Henry Cow to Gentle Giant to Premiata Forneria Marconi. If you don’t find anything you like, then it’s quite possible that progressive rock just isn’t for you.
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starofsirius7
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As a new fan i'm not that knowledgeable but to me most of that list are classic prog staples. I think if a non prog fan listened to everyone on that list they would "get it" but I see your point. I'm 26 and my mom is in her 40's and I wanted to get her into Prog but so far i have not been that successful. She did like some ELP though. I also know of some younger ELP fans. Anyways that list pretty much got me into it.
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AFlowerKingCrimson
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[To me is seems the average person isn't really aware of Pink Floyd or Rush being prog.]
I would agree. Yes, those are the two biggest ones probably that have the most non prog fans. However, I would say many fans of these bands also don't know about the term prog(or maybe only have a passing knowledge of it or heard it but never really bothered to research it more)(in order from most non prog fans to least imo): Jethro Tull Genesis Dream Theater (a lot of fans probably just think of them as metal and that's it) Yes (many fans probably just think of them as classic rock) ELP (ditto above) Porcupine Tree King Crimson Gentle Giant (I doubt many GG fans don't know what prog is but thought I would put them at the end of the list anyway since there are probably some who knew them back in the day that never really figured out what prog is). Edited by AFlowerKingCrimson - May 09 2018 at 18:22 |
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starofsirius7
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I am new to Prog. I had a bit a misleading journey though. I really liked In the Court of the Crimson King but never listened to other albums and was not aware that it was prog or of anything similar. Years later I got into Yes and when I went searching for more Greg Lake Crimson discovered ELP and then things started to click. To me is seems the average person isn't really aware of Pink Floyd or Rush being prog. I think people should go full throttle so they could easily tell what makes it different and if they like it.
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Catcher10
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According to Discogs there are 682 versions of the Sgt Pepper album, this includes all formats from 1967-2018 issue dates. Some entries can be considered duplicates because of different matrix information within the same catalog#.....but a different pressing is a different pressing. Even if the number is 50% less..... So that is where all your money has gone, the real scam.......
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M27Barney
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However, we were never in the position that a "newbie" would find themselves in today....I think I'm learning how to hypnotise myself into liking music I once though of as "unlistenable" - suddenly VDGG and GG are going to become my favourite bands!
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Frenetic Zetetic
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I'd ask a new listener what bands they currently enjoy, then try to find a transition from that style and work backwards into classic prog.
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"I am so prog, I listen to concept albums on shuffle." -KMac2021 |
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Jzrk
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That statement about Rush may be a bit short sided.I would approach someone who hasn’t listened to the genre per say by playing some snippets of some classic prog bands and see if anything peaks their curiosity and then start with what ever seemed to be interesting to them.You never know what type of music will spark an interest
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hellogoodbye
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If you're not new to Prog, don't go on with Rush
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