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Posted: January 29 2018 at 09:09
Hi,
I hate making these kind of choices, because a band is a band is a band, and one day they are good and the next they are not as good.
GONG, for example, when they came through the West Coast with Pierre Moerlin, did not sound very good in Portland at all, but the next night, in Eugene, they were excellent, and their sound was a bit deeper and stronger. Sadly, stuff like that never got "recorded" and shared, because Pierre's touch was so different than Pip's, or even Chris Taylor. One was jazzy, one was more disco'ey and the other rock-bottom solid!
AMON DUUL 2's Live in London is an outstanding concert, and probably the very best musical show I have ever heard them together, considering that some mp3's and some of the other, later, live albums were not that good, and were an excuse for a band gone crazy that didn't care whatever they did. However, on the tube is a concert or two from 2015 (I think it was ... sorry) and it featured two drummers (just like old days!) and it also had some excellent things done, although I would still think they could use a rehearsal or two to clean up some things! Rehearsal ... on a German Theatrical group? You gotta be kidding me!
CAN's live material, specially with Damo, is finally showing up, and it makes one think that most things were not that good, and that the only stuff that was good was already done on "Tago Mago" and "Ege Bamyasi". I kinda think that there are more tapes, of this stuff, but they are another "Mago Tago" ... and I'm not sure that another version of "Augmn" or equivalent, would sell well and be worth the attention and listen. I would love to hear it, though, but even Damo has been very quiet about these things, and I have a feeling that they were OK, but not very good or ... maybe the word is "concise" and usable within a musical context, like some of their work was. HOWEVER, I think that some of it, specially "Tago Mago", was mixed and spliced so well, that we do not know what was real or not, except what Damo performed later on his own.
PFM, has at least 3 or 4 versions of "Celebration" and not one version is better than the other. And their early years, it was different every time. And fun to hear. Though I'm not sure that Americans enjoy Italians doing classical music! (Hehehehehe!!!!!!)
EGBERTO GISMONTI is/was exceptional in concert and the bits and pieces of him with Charlie Haden show something that is probably ... way beyond what is considered "music" ... and it works together very well. I would like to see this video stuff cleaned up and released properly.
GURU GURU's early shows with Ax Genrich, were phenominal, and Bald Friedel has already mentioned that live album in 1971 ... it is the very best Jimi Hendrix that you have never heard, and you know that Jimi probably wanted to go wild and add some crazy things like this to the music itself ... but the record company would not touch it, or have it.
I'm sure there are many others out there with similar stories.
BTW, SOLAR MUSIC LIVE Remastered is fantabulous ... and those different versions of some things and expanded some are ... awesome. Love the transitional drumming by Eroc ... his transitions start "last week" ... as my joke about a drummer trying to add yet another cheap this and that ... and come back with the same thing. Now, that's got to be creative music design, hey? If you were the professor you would have given that guy a D- and the minus just for the time it took to put it together ... 3 minutes!
PEACE!
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Posted: January 27 2018 at 06:57
not surprisingly since they are 1a and 1b of the greatest live rock albums ever made... and two of my absolute favorite bands as well as being considered the greatest live bands ever...
At Fillmore East and Live at Leeds
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Posted: January 15 2018 at 10:25
Hi,
As you can see by a previously mentioned piece, Pink Floyd's Live in Pompeii was a magnificent example of what Pink Floyd was like in concert way before the big fame hit them with DSOTM, when the shows became more mechanized and choreographed and the moments that were different than the album kinda dropped to none throughout any concert.
This, was one of the reasons why the early days, had so many Pink Floyd bootlegs, since they were all different, even though one fan or another might say that the differences were minor and no big deal, but hearing 10 different versions of "Set the Controls of the Heart of the Sun", or 10 different versions of "Echoes", or even better, 5 different versions of "Atom Heart Mother", up to and including the Ballet version that rock critics just plastered because they hated ballet and could not bed the dancers after the show because they were not groupies!
One might say that this is subtle, but it is one of the main reasons why so much of the early days of PF survive so strongly, and not only the days of Syd Barrett, but also the time right after it, which is only a couple/three years, but they are magnificent and it was during that time that they were doing their shows in QUADRAPHONIC SOUND, and they were, to my knowledge, the first one to do it, and turn their experiments into a sound experience ... that eventually developed into DSOTM and then TW.
However, by that time, the charm of the original creativity had been destroyed by the fanatic and sadistic fame that followed it and still lives!
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Posted: January 14 2018 at 10:47
ALotOfBottle wrote:
ELP with Pictures at an Exhibition popped to mind right away.
Squonk19 wrote:
Dellinger wrote:
After reading many opinions, I have been reminded of two live albums that I do think are the best those bands have released: "Live at Carnegie Hall" by Renaissance, and "Made in Japan" by Deep Purple.
I agree. I will add Barclay James Harvest - Live and Camel - A Live Record.
These are the 5 albums from 5 bands that came to mind right away. I tend to like live albums more than studio albums, but if the criteria is, that the live album is better than anything else the artist did, I can only think of those 5 albums at the moment. I often have the feeling, especially with Renaissance and BJH, who I like very much, that the studio albums are kind of 'over-produced', too much of 'this and that', while live they sound more 'pure'.
Oh yeah I love that Ten Years After album! I am also quite partial to the earlier Undead offering. I really dig the intimacy of the whole thing and it's as if you can reach out and touch the sweaty smokestained walls. Heh when I think of Alvin I always envision this speedmouthing chipmunk up on the Woodstock stage
Kinda reminds me of Lou completely off his noggin trying to sing Kicks:
Damn I love that clip
“The Guide says there is an art to flying or rather a knack. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss.”
Ahh my kind of thread. I tend to prefer live albums as I love the raw and unfiltered - the small improvs and different shadings to otherwise classic tunes...heh some times I go back and hear the studio cut and it feels tame and far too polite. Some bands are far superior in a live setting - others not so much. Yeah I caught Red Hot Chili Peppers on two different occasions and they sucked big time. I dig the studio albums.
Anyways erm listing albums that were the pinaccle of said band's oevre:
The Doors - Absolutely Live Magma - Live Hhaï Jimi/Band of Gypsys - Live at the Fillmore Floyd - Pompeii (not sure that counts) Cream - Live Colosseum - Live! Lou Reed - Rock n Roll Animal Kiss - Alive SBB - Karlstad The Grateful Dead - Dick's Picks vol errmm....can't decide. Metallica - Binge & Purge Iron Maiden - Live After Death Duke Ellington - Newport 56 The Rolling Stones - Get Yer Ya Ya's Out Tangerine Dream - Ricochet (tied with a few other seminal studio albums) Dead Can Dance - Toward the Within (ditto the above) Santana - Lotus King Crimson - The Night Shift (among many others) Kraan - Live Grobschnitt - Solar Music Live Floating Points - Mojave Desert (from 2017. Folks who dig Pompeii should immediately look this thing up on jootoob) James Brown - Live at the Apollo Allman Bros - Live at the Fillmore Derek & the Dominos - Live at the Fillmore The Who - Live at Leeds Jethro Tull - Isle of Wight David Bowie - Ziggy Stardust The Motion Picture (tied with a bunch of studio albums no less...though not the original studio album which is dull compared to this baby. You can feel the intensity of the room - fans thinking this will be the last ever Bowie show...which again fuels the, granted high af, musicians.) Peter Frampton - Frampton Comes Alive Area - Are(A)zione (tied a couple of studio ones) Caravan - Live at the Fairfield Flats (ditto the above)
I am forgetting so many right now but I am not home, so can't flip through my collection. Safe to say there are many many more.
“The Guide says there is an art to flying or rather a knack. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss.”
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Posted: December 16 2017 at 04:10
Dellinger wrote:
After reading many opinions, I have been reminded of two live albums that I do think are the best those bands have released: "Live at Carnegie Hall" by Renaissance, and "Made in Japan" by Deep Purple.
Definitely those two. Add to the list, Curved Air Live, Jimi Hendix Band of Gypsys and the Colosseum Live. While Pink Floyd, Yes , Genesis and Camel made some great live albums they don't qualify as favourite in my mind over their best studio albums.
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