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Eh-Dogg

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Topic: Case Study: Muse
Posted: November 20 2014 at 16:54

I would totally put them up there with some of the great prog artists like Porcupine Tree and Anathema etc

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Posted: November 15 2014 at 02:38

Horizons wrote:

Why are they always one of the first bands mentioned when discussing modern progressive rock? Or at least the popular ones.

Well, possibly because there aren't any POPULAR prog rock bands as such? Certainly none with Muse-levels of popularity. Radiohead used to be popular but have kind of levelled off in recent years. I don't think there's anything bad with that because Muse are influenced enough by prog to be classified where they are here: prog related. They are not prog outright, but they have something to do with it. At least this way more people may get to know of this genre called prog rock. Better than having 70s bands like Pink Floyd as the gateway to prog, I think, from the point of view of maintaining relevance with the younger generation.

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Posted: November 15 2014 at 02:02

Yep its actually a massive 27 seconds shorter although the missing piano just seems to be a few seconds going into the instrumental break. It is slightly different but not by a lot.

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Posted: November 14 2014 at 23:28

No, it's the single version with the single music video. Electric guitar instead of piano.

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Posted: November 14 2014 at 00:53

That is the album version but just intercut with live footage

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Posted: November 13 2014 at 01:47

A phenomenal song, used to be my favourite of all time, but a late romantic piano solo inserted into the middle of song does not prog make, not that it doesn't have some influences.

The album version is much better, anyway.

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Posted: November 12 2014 at 13:44

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Posted: November 12 2014 at 13:36

I`ve gotten a few of there albums they do have a few Progressive rock elements within there musical output.

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Posted: October 22 2014 at 13:15

Apparently, Austin is not A-Muse-d.

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Posted: October 22 2014 at 13:08

Svetonio wrote:

O666 wrote:

Svetonio wrote:

O666 wrote:

I can't compare Muse with DT or PT. Muse is a Alt Rock with Prog Rock makeup (IMO) !! How you can compare them?! And IMO "Post-Progressive" is a funny joke! I saw many of "this kind of category" in some sites and blogs like Progressive Blues! or Progressive Pop! or ...

Please guys don't make new categories without knowing enough about music structure and elements and ...

This is my opinion and maybe some guys don't like this opinion.

There is a number of examples of great mixtures of Prog and Blues, though.

Also, between Prog and Pop that dividing line is frequently so thin.

The bands are mixing the genres as never before.

But we don't need, in the time of tags, the terms that don't sound good. Let's imagine that an artist says, "I play progressive blues"; of course it sounds stupid, lol.

You right. For example " Frank Flight Band - Remains ". I like this album and IMO this is a mixture of Prog and Blues . But as you said we don't need new tags now. In PA categories we can find a fair tag for this like Xover or Related. Thanks for your time.

Frank Flight Band is a great example. I love their Evening Star , a 17 minute long epic.

I have "Remains" album. In this album I love "Dark Waters" and "Cat". "Cat" is 20 min epic. I really like to have FFB other albums. Unfortunately PA don't pick FFB. I think you can suggest FFB to PA better than me.

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Posted: October 21 2014 at 11:42

O666 wrote:

Svetonio wrote:

Please guys don't make new categories without knowing enough about music structure and elements and ...

This is my opinion and maybe some guys don't like this opinion.

There is a number of examples of great mixtures of Prog and Blues, though.

Also, between Prog and Pop that dividing line is frequently so thin.

The bands are mixing the genres as never before.

But we don't need, in the time of tags, the terms that don't sound good. Let's imagine that an artist says, "I play progressive blues"; of course it sounds stupid, lol.

Frank Flight Band is a great example. I love their Evening Star , a 17 minute long epic.

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Posted: October 21 2014 at 10:22

Svetonio wrote:

Please guys don't make new categories without knowing enough about music structure and elements and ...

This is my opinion and maybe some guys don't like this opinion.

There is a number of examples of great mixtures of Prog and Blues, though.

Also, between Prog and Pop that dividing line is frequently so thin.

The bands are mixing the genres as never before.

But we don't need, in the time of tags, the terms that don't sound good. Let's imagine that an artist says, "I play progressive blues"; of course it sounds stupid, lol.

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Posted: October 21 2014 at 06:46

well I`ve been listening to MUSE, to these ears there truly do have elements of progressive rock, jazz and classical music. which are there for all to hear...

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Posted: October 20 2014 at 11:53

Please guys don't make new categories without knowing enough about music structure and elements and ...

This is my opinion and maybe some guys don't like this opinion.

There is a number of examples of great mixtures of Prog and Blues, though.

Also, between Prog and Pop that dividing line is frequently so thin.

The bands are mixing the genres as never before.

But we don't need, in the time of tags, the terms that don't sound good. Let's imagine that an artist says, "I play progressive blues"; of course it sounds stupid, lol.

Edited by Svetonio - October 20 2014 at 13:49

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Posted: October 20 2014 at 10:41

I can't compare Muse with DT or PT. Muse is a Alt Rock with Prog Rock makeup (IMO) !! How you can compare them?! And IMO "Post-Progressive" is a funny joke! I saw many of "this kind of category" in some sites and blogs like Progressive Blues! or Progressive Pop! or ...

Please guys don't make new categories without knowing enough about music structure and elements and ...

This is my opinion and maybe some guys don't like this opinion.

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Posted: October 20 2014 at 09:08

Listening to their stuff, it's not really prog, but it is prog related. Heck, even Dream Theater started copying Muse on Octavarium (not saying fans are too happy to admit it). Radiohead and Queen are on here, so why not Muse.

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Posted: October 19 2014 at 18:18

Because, it seems for many "prog" basically has come to mean "this is a slightly not pop structure" or "they are weird!" or "they have keyboard"

Not even being snarky

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Posted: October 19 2014 at 07:49

Horizons wrote:

Post-Progressive..? What the hell?

I can't see Muse's experimentation enough to be compared to Radiohead, PT, or Anathema - actually progressive music. I'm not even sure most of their material can be considered unusual.

These guys are progressive and experimental but Flaming Lips lacks these aspects? That's another discussion though..

What aspects or songs makes you think they are definitely experimental enough to be included here?

Porcupine tree, Dream Theater, The Moody Blues, Post Gabriel Genesis, Jethro Tull... Can any of these bands really be considered 'unusual' They often sound fairly mainstream to me, but they are broadly considered progressive, and I accept that and love their music.

Perhaps you have a very narrow definition of progressive music. Does it have to all be played backwards in 16/12 featuring ironing board solo's and some bloke in a dress playing the spoons through a reverb unit sitting on a potty

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Posted: October 19 2014 at 06:27

There is no mystery about Muse; I have had 4 or 5 their albums including the 2nd Law and, with all due respect it's 99% art/alternative/indie pop. They are different from your "typical" radio-worthy pop, hence the "alternative" identifier. No need to give them more credit than is due.

The album art on their latest is fantastic, though.

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Posted: October 19 2014 at 04:24

I guess to younger listeners, and to those who really haven't listened to much in the way of progressive related rock, Muse come across as highly inventive, imaginative and artistic. To lazy reviewers and trendy music magazines, they're on the right side of `proggy' because they're closer to indie rock, and they don't show too many of the `evil' self-indulgent traits that those magazines ignorantly despise prog for.

I definitely see a ton of early 70's Queen in Muse, but I don't think Matt Bellamy would deny that for even a second!