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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 27 2010 at 06:40
^ i bet Voltaire og Montisque are smiling now (the founders of elightment)
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 26 2010 at 19:31
Clap Clap Clap and 100 more of these for Wikileaks! Democracy can only survive, if WE, the people are informed of the TRUE situation...How else would we be able to vote?? Only on info the "powers that behold" deem worthy of letting us know???? Real democracy is only possible when all information is available to everyone!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 26 2010 at 19:20
Although if this all turns out to be true, he should have not spilled the beans.
If I leaked classified military information I would not say it to a single soul.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 26 2010 at 19:15
Technology is not good or bad, just is. Then its on us how we use it.
I do think its good that sites like this can exist, but as you said there could be some major collateral damage.
All for the name of free information.

One could of course argue that maybe we should not be fighting the Taliban

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 26 2010 at 19:13
I think it's a shame if it further endangers the lives of our soldiers.  So long as the O-man wants to keep us there, it is important that we prevent such breaches of security.  I heard one analyst say that the documents could reveal the identities of crucial sources, Afghans who are helping us gather important information, who may now be murdered by the good ole' Taliban because their cover has been compromised.  Nice work by Wiki man.

"Someone inadvertently or on purpose gave the Taliban its new 'enemies list,'" declared Rep. Jane Harman, D-Calif., who said the White House indicated the disclosures compromised a number of Afghan sources.

"Whenever you have the potential for names and for operations and for programs to be out there in the public domain besides being against the law has the potential to be very harmful to those that are in our military, those that are cooperating with our military," said Robert Gibbs. (Obama's press guy)

"It's not the content as much as it is the names, operations, logistics, sources -- all of that information out in the public has the potential to do harm," Gibbs said

I hope that's not the case.  But at least this Wiki guy made a name for himself, because certainly his ego and his agenda are more important than the White House strategy or fighting the Taliban.   


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 26 2010 at 19:10
In cased you missed it, here's why:
Originally posted by Slartibartfast Slartibartfast wrote:

This is interesting, just saw it on the TV news:
PHOTO Bradley Manning has told of leaking classified diplomatic reports, along with this secret video, to the whistleblower website Wikileaks.org.

Who Is Pvt. Bradley Manning?

His dad said he never got into trouble.  I guess at some point in life you have to make up that.



Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 26 2010 at 18:53
Oh boy....
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And I finally got on, maybe a lot of people were jamming the place


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 26 2010 at 18:51
Originally posted by Equality 7-2521 Equality 7-2521 wrote:

Poor kid, he can legally be assassinated now. 


that's what I was just thinking.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 26 2010 at 18:47
Poor kid, he can legally be assassinated now. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 26 2010 at 18:39
This is interesting, just saw it on the TV news:
PHOTO Bradley Manning has told of leaking classified diplomatic reports, along with this secret video, to the whistleblower website Wikileaks.org.

Who Is Pvt. Bradley Manning?

His dad said he never got into trouble.  I guess at some point in life you have to make up that.




Edited by Slartibartfast - July 26 2010 at 19:05
Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 26 2010 at 18:32
Originally posted by Padraic Padraic wrote:

Originally posted by JJLehto JJLehto wrote:

Originally posted by RoyFairbank RoyFairbank wrote:

yeah the site wasn't working today. That's some brave sh**t though on behalf of the leakers and the site personnel. The American government can't be able to kill with impunity. 


Agreed with that. I know wikileaks says they are 100% dedicated to maintaining privacy ad keeping it anonymous...but it must be tough to actually do.
And lets hope the government never kills it! Would be a sad day


information wants to be free....now that it's all "out", it can't be put back in the bottle.  you could take that server down, 10 more will pop up with the files.


....yes. Quite LOL
In fact the site was down for a pretty long time, but indeed a host of "mirror" sites popped up with less...but still a lot of the stuff.
It has nothing to do with politics or party, NO government will be completely clear. Its great that we have the technology to do this stuff, and people dedicated to keeping it anonymous
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 26 2010 at 18:26

lets discuss Wikileak


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Originally posted by RoyFairbank RoyFairbank wrote:

yeah the site wasn't working today. 
They had to put some air in it.


Edited by Slartibartfast - July 26 2010 at 18:36
Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 26 2010 at 18:24
Originally posted by JJLehto JJLehto wrote:

Originally posted by RoyFairbank RoyFairbank wrote:

yeah the site wasn't working today. That's some brave sh**t though on behalf of the leakers and the site personnel. The American government can't be able to kill with impunity. 


Agreed with that. I know wikileaks says they are 100% dedicated to maintaining privacy ad keeping it anonymous...but it must be tough to actually do.
And lets hope the government never kills it! Would be a sad day


information wants to be free....now that it's all "out", it can't be put back in the bottle.  you could take that server down, 10 more will pop up with the files.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 26 2010 at 18:22
Originally posted by RoyFairbank RoyFairbank wrote:

yeah the site wasn't working today. That's some brave sh**t though on behalf of the leakers and the site personnel. The American government can't be able to kill with impunity. 


Agreed with that. I know wikileaks says they are 100% dedicated to maintaining privacy ad keeping it anonymous...but it must be tough to actually do.
And lets hope the government never kills it! Would be a sad day
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 26 2010 at 18:08
Originally posted by RoyFairbank RoyFairbank wrote:

Originally posted by JJLehto JJLehto wrote:

I like it.
I first heard of it from a prof about that Baghdad video, the one where the US military accidentally kills those reporters.
I havnt been able to see the current thing making headlines since the site is down?

Anyway, I like it. I think its a great thing. Keeping us people informed! I think its great all these secret things can be accessed.

EDIT: actually while a lot of it is secret some things, like that Baghdad video and the current headlines are actually not that surprising. In fact  I remember hearing a blurb about the Baghdad incident when it happened.
Its still good to just get as much info out there as possible.




Honest people knew the occupation was an occupation and not a democracy-fest. It is no different from any other blood-letting committed by the American government on behalf of narrow and predatory interests.

Honest people knew and know. The American population however is still largely floating somewhere in a disgusting dream of liberation and "national security." To them this is news, even though it severely isn't.


Well isn't that what I said more or less? LOL
But even if it isnt news to people who, well had a brain, its still good anyway to get it out all out. And to those who did not know better this is of course important
And thats why I made a post about it when the former video was leaked. We should all spread it as much as we can.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 26 2010 at 18:04
Originally posted by JJLehto JJLehto wrote:

I like it.
I first heard of it from a prof about that Baghdad video, the one where the US military accidentally kills those reporters.
I havnt been able to see the current thing making headlines since the site is down?

Anyway, I like it. I think its a great thing. Keeping us people informed! I think its great all these secret things can be accessed.

EDIT: actually while a lot of it is secret some things, like that Baghdad video and the current headlines are actually not that surprising. In fact  I remember hearing a blurb about the Baghdad incident when it happened.
Its still good to just get as much info out there as possible.




Honest people knew the occupation was an occupation and not a democracy-fest. It is no different from any other blood-letting committed by the American government on behalf of narrow and predatory interests.

Honest people knew and know. The American population however is still largely floating somewhere in a disgusting dream of liberation and "national security." To them this is news, even though it severely isn't.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 26 2010 at 17:46
I like it.
I first heard of it from a prof about that Baghdad video, the one where the US military accidentally kills those reporters.
I havnt been able to see the current thing making headlines since the site is down?

Anyway, I like it. I think its a great thing. Keeping us people informed! I think its great all these secret things can be accessed.

EDIT: actually while a lot of it is secret some things, like that Baghdad video and the current headlines are actually not that surprising. In fact  I remember hearing a blurb about the Baghdad incident when it happened.
Its still good to just get as much info out there as possible.




Edited by JJLehto - July 26 2010 at 17:49
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 26 2010 at 17:40
yeah the site wasn't working today. That's some brave sh**t though on behalf of the leakers and the site personnel. The American government can't be able to kill with impunity. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 26 2010 at 17:04
Guarantee that the video of US soldiers killing the two Rueters reporters and Iraqi non-combatants is gone.

Actually as I looked to check that prediction, the entire site isn't working.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 26 2010 at 17:02
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