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akamaisondufromage
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Posted: January 02 2014 at 18:10 |
Drew wrote:
I was about to start a "where do I start with Hawkiwind?" type of thread- but I remembered to do a search...
Any recommendations?
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You should start with Space Ritual and it is probably Marmite. Then Warrior on the Edge of Time which is probably the preferred dose of Hawkwind on this site. Then you should listen to Quark Strangeness and Charm. If you haven't been put off then listen to any of their 70s output.
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Posted: January 02 2014 at 17:55 |
I was about to start a "where do I start with Hawkiwind?" type of thread- but I remembered to do a search...
Any recommendations?
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Posted: December 04 2013 at 17:53 |
^Lemmy and King were inseperable, but it's Chadwick and Davey who are Hawks dream-team rhythm section IMO.
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Posted: December 04 2013 at 16:42 |
Dave Brock's rhythm guitar playing is also very inventive from the S/T and onwards. Not to mention the '72-'75 lineup having one of my favourite rhythm sections ever in the tag team of a young Lemmy Kilmister and the criminally underrated Simon King.
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Posted: December 04 2013 at 15:33 |
Before 1976 I find their compositions very amateur. It's just hard punk rock with some space synth. When Lemmy left they instantly sounded miles better. Love astounding sounds. The next 3 albums were solid then Levitaton is very good. Don't really like anything outside the 1976-80 period though apart from the occasional track
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All I like is prog related bands beginning late 60's/early 70's. Their music from 1968 - 83 has the composition and sound which will never be beaten. Perfect blend of jazz, classical, folk and rock.
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Posted: December 04 2013 at 14:23 |
Super band but dogged by poor quality control as even on their best albums they always had filler material (and on their poorest more filler than good stuff. However when they were good they were very good.
Like some of you have mentioned I wasn't impressed by In Search of Space when I first heard it. Hall of the Mountain Grill was the one that hooked me enough to make me buy the earlier ones and they soon became a favourite. Over the last year or so I finally got round to buying all the studio albums and love a good number of them (even some of the ones with poor ratings on here).
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Posted: December 04 2013 at 13:12 |
Toaster Mantis wrote:
Luis and Tom, my point is that HW don't show that influence as readily or do quite the same things with it as ELP/Genesis/KC etc. (and perhaps not from the exact same sources either) |
Well, they loved their droogs (which lead to sloppy work - Brocky ended up banning drug use during many a recording session from Astounding Sounds onwards). I think Alan Davey is up there amongst the great Prog bassists, try his solo album 'Captured Rotation'.
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Posted: December 04 2013 at 13:09 |
Toaster Mantis wrote:
Luis and Tom, my point is that HW don't show that influence as readily or do quite the same things with it as ELP/Genesis/KC etc. (and perhaps not from the exact same sources either) |
Well, they loved their droogs (often leads to sloppy work, but they often abstained whilst recording from the late-70's onward)
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Posted: December 04 2013 at 13:07 |
Hawkwind are SpaceGods! (On SiIver Bicycles)
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Toaster Mantis
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Posted: December 04 2013 at 12:09 |
Luis and Tom, my point is that HW don't show that influence as readily or do quite the same things with it as ELP/Genesis/KC etc. (and perhaps not from the exact same sources either)
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Posted: December 04 2013 at 12:03 |
dr wu23 wrote:
The.Crimson.King wrote:
I bought "In Search of Space" when I was 16 and hated it so I wrote them off for many years. Fast forward about 20 years and I became good friends with a Hawkwind fanatic and decided to give them another try. He loaned me "Quark Strangeness and Charm" and "Warrior on the Edge of Time" as my first 2 albums as he considered those the most proggy. I loved them both instantly and went on to build a decent sized Hawkwind discography. I think they were at their best on stage with the "Friday Rock Show" and "California Brainstorm" albums. I loved the way they took their early 70's classics ("Assault and Battery", "Brainstorm", "Masters of the Universe") and re-energized them for the 80's/90's.
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That's uncanny since my situation was very similar. I first heard In Search in 1974 and was not really aware of them before that. I thought the music was jumbled up and the production muddy so I never really got into them (I learned that many stoners back then were fans..) ,but many years later I met a fellow psych/prog fan and he played the later ones and it finally clicked with me.
I see them as kind of a weird ass version of early/middle Pink Floyd with rougher edges and odd ball songs...and some one mentioned Krautrock in relation to their music which I think is true.
Now, Hall and Warrior are two of my favorite things from that time period. |
That is a totally bizarre coincidence! Once again, great minds thinking alike
I actually bought "In Search of Space" in 1976. I'd been into prog about a year and was looking for something beyond the ELP/Yes/Tull/Genesis bunch and I loved the cover. I could not believe what I was hearing...I absolutely hated it and returned it to the record store the next day.
Everything turned out ok though as I really got into Hawkwind 20 years later...but I still didn't like "In Search of Space"
Edited by The.Crimson.King - December 04 2013 at 12:07
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Posted: December 04 2013 at 09:57 |
The.Crimson.King wrote:
I bought "In Search of Space" when I was 16 and hated it so I wrote them off for many years. Fast forward about 20 years and I became good friends with a Hawkwind fanatic and decided to give them another try. He loaned me "Quark Strangeness and Charm" and "Warrior on the Edge of Time" as my first 2 albums as he considered those the most proggy. I loved them both instantly and went on to build a decent sized Hawkwind discography. I think they were at their best on stage with the "Friday Rock Show" and "California Brainstorm" albums. I loved the way they took their early 70's classics ("Assault and Battery", "Brainstorm", "Masters of the Universe") and re-energized them for the 80's/90's.
Fantastic band but highly misunderstood by prog fans |
That's uncanny since my situation was very similar. I first heard In Search in 1974 and was not really aware of them before that. I thought the music was jumbled up and the production muddy so I never really got into them (I learned that many stoners back then were fans..) ,but many years later I met a fellow psych/prog fan and he played the later ones and it finally clicked with me.
I see them as kind of a weird ass version of early/middle Pink Floyd with rougher edges and odd ball songs...and some one mentioned Krautrock in relation to their music which I think is true.
Now, Hall and Warrior are two of my favorite things from that time period.
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Luis de Sousa
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Posted: December 04 2013 at 09:48 |
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there's not much in the way of classical technical virtuosity on display or influence from classical music. |
And what about Robert's poetry?
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Posted: December 04 2013 at 09:18 |
schizoidman wrote:
Padraic wrote:
HolyMoly wrote:
Hawkwind is an easy band to enjoy.
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Then I must really be screwing something up. |
I've listened to several of their albums but Hawkwind and I remain a disconnect. I just can't get into their musical trip. |
There was a musician friend of mine that once said that Hawkwind was cheating the music. I asked what he meant and he said, that most musicians use an effect for 10 to 15 seconds, and that Hawkwind abused the priviledge by stretching that effect for 5 minutes, and then people thinking it was trip music because of the changes in the sound itself!
When I said that it was exactly that you felt when you took some psychs and other goodies, and he goes ... really?
Some of us are trippers! Others are NOT!
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Posted: December 04 2013 at 04:53 |
Some of Hawkwind's music is deceptively complex in that they utilise many, many layers of synths, samples, instruments, and all at various, selected points in songs. I cite a fantastic example with 'Electric Tepee' - so dense, virtuosic bass from Davey, incredible ideas and constructions, very well written/arranged songs and just a plain brilliant album. The weakest factor on many Hawk albums is the production, in this case, the drums suffer from an '80's hangover' sound, which may deter the listener from realising its amazing, overall power.
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Posted: December 04 2013 at 04:28 |
To elaborate what I was talking about with Hawkwind coming from a completely different angle than the other British progressive rock groups of their generation: While their music definitely is progressive in the sense of thinking outside the box and expanding the musical vocabulary of rock, there's not much in the way of classical technical virtuosity on display or influence from classical music. (until Hall of the Mountain Grill that is)
It's more like they're deconstructing psychedelic rock and then re-assembling it in unusual ways, going more for an otherworldly atmosphere than an intricate forwards progressing sonata compositional format. (hence the Krautrock comparisons) Not to mention that their approach to instrument playing is really more punk than anything else.
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Posted: December 03 2013 at 14:05 |
I feel this with some records, especially "Hall of the Mountain Grill", where the Mellotron met Space Rock for the first time. There are others like "This is Hawkwind do not panic" and "Live Seventy Nine" with rates well below 4 that are quite decieving. As for masterpieces like "Space Ritual" and "Warrior on the Edge of Time" I understand that the poetry can turn down some people, but the rate above is in this case a good indication.
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Posted: December 03 2013 at 12:36 |
I bought "In Search of Space" when I was 16 and hated it so I wrote them off for many years. Fast forward about 20 years and I became good friends with a Hawkwind fanatic and decided to give them another try. He loaned me "Quark Strangeness and Charm" and "Warrior on the Edge of Time" as my first 2 albums as he considered those the most proggy. I loved them both instantly and went on to build a decent sized Hawkwind discography. I think they were at their best on stage with the "Friday Rock Show" and "California Brainstorm" albums. I loved the way they took their early 70's classics ("Assault and Battery", "Brainstorm", "Masters of the Universe") and re-energized them for the 80's/90's.
Fantastic band but highly misunderstood by prog fans
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Posted: December 03 2013 at 11:09 |
Padraic wrote:
HolyMoly wrote:
Hawkwind is an easy band to enjoy.
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Then I must really be screwing something up. |
I've listened to several of their albums but Hawkwind and I remain a disconnect. I just can't get into their musical trip.
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Posted: December 03 2013 at 10:51 |
HolyMoly wrote:
Hawkwind is an easy band to enjoy.
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Then I must really be screwing something up.
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