Is Steven Wilson making Prog music?

 nice one argo!
by the way Kaftan? we dont have such thing! maybe from another asian language!
we have kaffan : shroud کفن

and originally it is pronounced Ostaan : province


Edited by sorcerer kermes - March 09 2013 at 08:27

maybe if we were writing in farsi it was much easier for me but i bet you dont know even one word in farsi and i have to write in your language , so maybe sometimes i misunderstand but i`ll try to catch up, in this particular point i give you assurance that i totally understood you... "Is everything Genesis did after The There Were Three 100% Prog?" i think we all know Genesis before and after Gabriel are two different subjects and i find you easy to understand . now i`ve got the point that you think Wilson is doing Prog so why bothering keep on saying it? i just asked a question and you answered, thanks.

sorcerer kermes wrote: i think we all love non prog music there is no doubt, but the topic here is something else my friend .

Yep, a fictitious standard you measure contemporary music against which has no correlation in the real world inhabited by the vast majority who frequent this site

ExittheLemming wrote: sorcerer kermes wrote: ExittheLemming wrote: sorcerer kermes wrote: thanks roger but again i dont think reading these infos make my ears believe he is donig 100% Prog!  You just don't get it do you? (not even the founding fathers ELP, Yes or Genesis were 100% Prog) There's nothing more intolerable than a nostalgia for something that never happened in the first place ow... he hates ELP ! www.progrockmag.com/news/steven-wilson-wont-work-on-elp-again/ and of course the founding members you mentioned are 120% prog! wat r u talkin about pal?!! What I mean is that Jeremy Bender, Lucky Man, Benny the Bouncer, More Fool Me, I Know What I Like, Counting Out Time are all examples of traditional popular music forms that ain't considered remotely 'prog'. I adore all the aforementioned songs hugely but I don't reject anything just because it ain't 13/16 meter with tron, nested septuplets and inspired by cosmiche hippy w.a.n.k literature. The black and white world you inhabit has no place here i.e. tell me who doesn't love what can never come back (Robert Smith of the irreparably NON Prog group the Cure)

i think we all love non prog music there is no doubt, but the topic here is something else my friend .

sorcerer kermes wrote: ExittheLemming wrote: sorcerer kermes wrote: thanks roger but again i dont think reading these infos make my ears believe he is donig 100% Prog!  You just don't get it do you? (not even the founding fathers ELP, Yes or Genesis were 100% Prog) There's nothing more intolerable than a nostalgia for something that never happened in the first place ow... he hates ELP ! www.progrockmag.com/news/steven-wilson-wont-work-on-elp-again/

Really? Are Emerson's Honky-tonk piano pieces Prog? Are Lake's folk songs Prog? Is From Genesis To Revelation 100% Prog? Is everything Genesis did after The There Were Three 100% Prog? Are Yes's first two albums 100% Prog? Are Wonderous Stories or Don't Kill The Whale 100% Prog?  

Edited by Dean - March 09 2013 at 04:50

sorcerer kermes wrote: ExittheLemming wrote: sorcerer kermes wrote: thanks roger but again i dont think reading these infos make my ears believe he is donig 100% Prog!  You just don't get it do you? (not even the founding fathers ELP, Yes or Genesis were 100% Prog) There's nothing more intolerable than a nostalgia for something that never happened in the first place ow... he hates ELP ! www.progrockmag.com/news/steven-wilson-wont-work-on-elp-again/ and of course the founding members you mentioned are 120% prog! wat r u talkin about pal?!!

ExittheLemming wrote: You just don't get it do you? (not even the founding fathers ELP, Yes or Genesis were 100% Prog)

An ideal moment to play this song:




Edited by rogerthat - March 09 2013 at 04:19

sorcerer kermes wrote: thanks roger but again i dont think reading these infos make my ears believe he is donig 100% Prog!

You just don't get it do you? (not even the founding fathers ELP, Yes or Genesis were 100% Prog)
There's nothing more intolerable than a nostalgia for something that never happened in the first place

Well, I am just curious how much you are aware of his dossier.   I am just going to get lazy and quote verbatim from wikipedia:

"Wilson produced and contributed backing vocals, guitar and keyboards for Opeth on the albums Blackwater Park, Deliverance, and Damnation. In addition to this, he has collaborated on many projects with Belgian experimental musician Dirk Serries of Vidna Obmana and Fear Falls Burning, most notably on their collaboration project Continuum which has so far produced two albums. Wilson is also featured on a Fovea Hex EP "Allure" (Part 3 of the "Neither Speak Nor Remain Silent" trilogy of EP's) on bass guitar. This EP was released in April 2007 through Die-Stadt Musik.

He has also worked with OSI, Marillion, JBK, Orphaned Land, Paatos, Theo Travis, Yoko Ono, Fish, Cipher and Anja Garbarek performing songwriting duties as well as performing musically. Most recently, Wilson is featured on the Pendulum album "Immersion", with his vocals featuring on "The Fountain".^[13] He made a guest appearance on Dream Theater's 2007 album, Systematic Chaos on the song "Repentance", as one of several musical guests recorded apologizing to important people in their lives for wrongdoings in the past.

Wilson did an interview with German musician and composer Klaus Schulze. Schulze was an important figure of the Krautrock movement. This interview is featured as bonus material in Schulze's Live DVD, Rheingold.^[14]

The Anathema album, We're Here Because We're Here, was mixed by Wilson in a period beginning January 2010 and he is thanked in the album liner notes.^[15] A current ongoing project for Wilson is remixing the back catalogue of King Crimson from 1969–84 into MLP (Meridian Lossless Packaging) 5.1 and new stereo mixes, as well as remixing the back catalogue of Jethro Tull,^[16] he also did the remix for In the Land of Grey and Pink by Canterbury scene band Caravan. The first three new editions were issued in October 2009, with more emerging in batches over the coming years.^{[17]  "}

He is all over the map right now in prog, whether it's working with new bands like Opeth or remastering albums of older prog rock bands.   The point is, one of the telltale signs of broad acceptance of a musician as part of prog rock is his continued association with other prog rock artists.

sorcerer kermes wrote: Ady Cardiac wrote: in answer to the main question......of course he is....stupid stupid question.....its 2013......it all cant sound like something from the seventies......if anything he is probably one of the top prog people out there right now.....if he's not prog what is he then?...funk??.......pah......silly question... hey roger see this! read posts more carfully

I have read it.   And yes, Wilson is, commercially and popularity wise, one of the top prog rock musicians now, I don't find anything lofty in that statement because it's just an observation and a fairly accurate one.  And Ady Cardiac has only asked what should he be classified as, if not prog.  Perhaps you read it as "if he's not prog, what is".  Because I nearly did the first time.

You seem to be anguished that prog rock FANS like his work so much.  Well, you should ask why Akerfeldt seeks him out to master his work.   Wilson is sought after by prog rock musicians, let alone the audience.  Their choices are not for you to judge.


Edited by rogerthat - March 09 2013 at 03:57