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Posted: November 13 2012 at 05:32
CCVP, I really like the Eloy `metal years', as the used to be thought of years ago! I guess that kind of kicked off with `Colours/Planets' up until `Destination'? `Tide Returns' was a first return signs of the longer more epic pieces, I suppose?
You know, those late 70's to late 80's albums still sound so....ELOY to me! I think it's those icy thick synths all over the albums that just sound so robotic and sci-fi, classic Eloy trait!
Yes, so the arrangements were a lot more straight-forward and pop/rock based, but I think they were certainly better than the more AOR based prog bands bands of the same time - Asia, I'm looking at you! Maybe 80's Yes and Genesis, too, but I still love them! - and once you've got Bornermann's epic guitar playing and THAT voice, it's still very recognisable as Eloy!
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Posted: November 13 2012 at 05:02
richardh wrote:
Aussie-Byrd-Brother wrote:
I found `Visionary' hugely underwhelming! For many years they went out on a total high-point of their career with `Ocean 2', which was a stunning album that played to all their strengths.
But for them to come back with a bunch of mostly tired and lazy tracks that were unenergetic rehashes of endless better tracks from previous albums just didn't cut it for me. So there were one or two decent tracks, the odd cool solo, but it just sounded so rushed, under-developed and half finished. Even Frank's vocals sounded like they were recorded in one take.
I really hope we get another album from them if they're planning on making a go of this comeback supported by so much goodwill and affection for the band. But `VIsionary' is just a case of `Must Try Harder', I suppose?
I think its a bit of a grower. Ocean 2 is okay but nowhere near as good as the first one. Eloy are a pretty dependable band that have put out a lot of 3-4 star albums. A lot of what they do is 'borrowed' if we are going to be totally honest about it (but of course I like them nevertheless)
Quite frankly, everything between Time to Turn and Tides Return Forever is pretty bad. Apart from that, I like every other album.
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Posted: November 13 2012 at 02:35
Yep, their only album that kind of falls under the `must avoid at all costs' tag is (despite the nice cover) `Destination' - just inane plodding late 80's lifeless AOR without even a slight concept to hang the tracks on. Just a bunch of `old man' rock tracks. Then again, I haven't listened to it in MANY years, so perhaps it's not as bad as I remember? Hmmm, perhaps due for a dig out from the CD shelf and a fresh play! Wish me luck!
`Ocean 2' is unfairly compared to the first one, when it's not even in the same style! It's more along the lines of a slighly grander `Planets/Time To Turn' era, I suppose? `The Tide Returns Forever' and `Ocean 2' are much more in the grand majestic spacey prog direction, and a new album is that style would be great welcomed!
As for their borrowed ideas, I find `Silent and Might Echoes' a little disappointing for sounding SO much like Floyd's `Wish You Were Here/Crazy Diamond'. But I think after a while Bornermann's noticeable guitar style and unique accented vocals really helped give Eloy more of an identity all their own!
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Posted: November 13 2012 at 01:40
Aussie-Byrd-Brother wrote:
I found `Visionary' hugely underwhelming! For many years they went out on a total high-point of their career with `Ocean 2', which was a stunning album that played to all their strengths.
But for them to come back with a bunch of mostly tired and lazy tracks that were unenergetic rehashes of endless better tracks from previous albums just didn't cut it for me. So there were one or two decent tracks, the odd cool solo, but it just sounded so rushed, under-developed and half finished. Even Frank's vocals sounded like they were recorded in one take.
I really hope we get another album from them if they're planning on making a go of this comeback supported by so much goodwill and affection for the band. But `VIsionary' is just a case of `Must Try Harder', I suppose?
I think its a bit of a grower. Ocean 2 is okay but nowhere near as good as the first one. Eloy are a pretty dependable band that have put out a lot of 3-4 star albums. A lot of what they do is 'borrowed' if we are going to be totally honest about it (but of course I like them nevertheless)
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Posted: November 12 2012 at 19:52
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Ah fellows I love Eloy but cruel to be kind, Metromania was the dud for me so far.
Heres a review of a better album!!!!!
'Eloy Live' is a magnificent live performance of one of my favourite bands that fits snugly onto one CD of almost 80 minutes. The musicians are Eloy in their prime; Klaus-Peter Matziol on bass, J'rgen Rosenthal on drums, Detlev Schmidtchen on keyboards, and the incomparable vocalist, guitarist extraordinaire Frank Bornemannn. The concert is dynamic and vibrant musically throughout and features some of their greatest triumphs beginning with the almighty epic 'Poseidon's Creation' and moving gradually to the classic 'Incarnation Of Logos' with that astonishing melody that locks in towards the mid section, both masterpieces from 'Ocean'. The vocals sound clear and unrestrained and the production is excellent on this 1978 live album.
The break gives Bornemann a chance to speak to his adoring audience in German, though for too long without a translation. This leads inexorably to 'The Sun-song' from 'Dawn' that is a popular song judging from the audience reaction. Immediately I remember the melody as it builds to the beautiful solo passage. Bornemann sounds so fresh and clear on vocals, as good as you would want in a live setting. 'The Dance In Doubt And Fear' follows also from 'Dawn', building with cymbal splashes and a heartbeat percussion that the crowd can clap to. The synths are tranquil golden swathes of beauty, along the waves of bass and guitar. Next is a longer track with 'Mutiny' at almost 10 minutes, a good choice from 'Power and the Passion'. I like the drums on this and the really powerful keyboards over the dreamy guitar phrases. After this the band launch into 'Gliding Into Light And Knowledge' that returns to 'Dawn'. This concert performance showcases how brilliant the musicians were, every track is spell binding virtuoso prog at the highest calibre.
'Inside' follows, the title track from one of their greatest masterpieces, and this is followed by the stunning beauty of 'Ocean''s 'Atlantis' Agony At June 5th - 8498, 13 p.m. Gregorian Earthtime', that clocks a mammoth 20:54. It is an incredible finale and caps off one of the most treasured concerts from Eloy. I wish it had been filmed but listening to this is still a compelling experience. All of the gems are here and this setlist is outstanding. I loved this live album and have no problems awarding it 4 shining stars.
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Posted: November 06 2012 at 02:51
Yep, sounds alright!
I doesn't actually sound much like `Ocean', more like the style present from `Colours' right up to `The Tides Return Forever', encompassing all the different facets of their music in that period - Lots of melodic riffy guitars, deep spacey synths/keyboards, slow unwinding epic guitar solos, ethereal female vocals - all the great Eloy trademarks, just refined and made even more grand!
OK, so I'm pouring it on a little thick, but at the time it felt like the band was thinking `OK, this is our farewell album, lets make a fitting finale that combines all the classic Eloy elements to make a truly defining Eloy album'!
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Posted: November 06 2012 at 02:43
Stop, you are exciting me here - I am listening to it now
So far have written the beginning of a review I will post in about a week after thrashing it
tell us what you think is it OK?
Ocean 2: The Answer” is the long awaited sequel to the masterpiece
“Ocean” that is perhaps the most famous Eloy album. So it had to be excellent,
in fact it could be nothing else in order to do the title justice, anything
else would be unforgiveable. If a band is to return to an old treasure to
continue the legacy, the followup needs to have at least the same style of
incredible musicianship and class as the predecessor. It is possible to pull
off as Queensryche did it comparably enough with the daring followup to the
brilliant “Operation Mindcrime” and Jethro Tull with their bold sequel to the
much beloved “Thick As A Brick”. None of these followups are as good as the
first but they still measured up well enough as worthy successors. I was
expecting big things from Eloy, though they had some mediocre albums leading up
to this so “Ocean 2” would be a saviour if it worked.
It begins with ‘Between Future and Past’ (2:43)
Edited by AtomicCrimsonRush - November 06 2012 at 02:44
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Posted: November 06 2012 at 02:36
Ooh, Ocean 2, how I love thee, let me count the ways! :)
Atomic, wait until you get to the floating extended keyboard finale of `Reflections From The Spheres Beyond' - total bliss!!
That album is so good it's probably why I'm quite critical of the recent `Visionary' - just doesn't even slightly measure up!
Oh, and if you didn't think much of `Metromania', we'll be interested to know what you think of `Ra'! I personally love it, but many hate how it's full of 80s drum machines! That will be the real test!
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Posted: November 06 2012 at 02:24
Ah fellows I love Eloy but cruel to be kind, Metromania was the dud for me so far.
Heres a review of a better album!!!!!
'Eloy Live' is a magnificent live performance of one of my favourite bands that fits snugly onto one CD of almost 80 minutes. The musicians are Eloy in their prime; Klaus-Peter Matziol on bass, J'rgen Rosenthal on drums, Detlev Schmidtchen on keyboards, and the incomparable vocalist, guitarist extraordinaire Frank Bornemannn. The concert is dynamic and vibrant musically throughout and features some of their greatest triumphs beginning with the almighty epic 'Poseidon's Creation' and moving gradually to the classic 'Incarnation Of Logos' with that astonishing melody that locks in towards the mid section, both masterpieces from 'Ocean'. The vocals sound clear and unrestrained and the production is excellent on this 1978 live album.
The break gives Bornemann a chance to speak to his adoring audience in German, though for too long without a translation. This leads inexorably to 'The Sun-song' from 'Dawn' that is a popular song judging from the audience reaction. Immediately I remember the melody as it builds to the beautiful solo passage. Bornemann sounds so fresh and clear on vocals, as good as you would want in a live setting. 'The Dance In Doubt And Fear' follows also from 'Dawn', building with cymbal splashes and a heartbeat percussion that the crowd can clap to. The synths are tranquil golden swathes of beauty, along the waves of bass and guitar. Next is a longer track with 'Mutiny' at almost 10 minutes, a good choice from 'Power and the Passion'. I like the drums on this and the really powerful keyboards over the dreamy guitar phrases. After this the band launch into 'Gliding Into Light And Knowledge' that returns to 'Dawn'. This concert performance showcases how brilliant the musicians were, every track is spell binding virtuoso prog at the highest calibre.
'Inside' follows, the title track from one of their greatest masterpieces, and this is followed by the stunning beauty of 'Ocean''s 'Atlantis' Agony At June 5th - 8498, 13 p.m. Gregorian Earthtime', that clocks a mammoth 20:54. It is an incredible finale and caps off one of the most treasured concerts from Eloy. I wish it had been filmed but listening to this is still a compelling experience. All of the gems are here and this setlist is outstanding. I loved this live album and have no problems awarding it 4 shining stars.
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Posted: November 06 2012 at 01:57
I found `Visionary' hugely underwhelming! For many years they went out on a total high-point of their career with `Ocean 2', which was a stunning album that played to all their strengths.
But for them to come back with a bunch of mostly tired and lazy tracks that were unenergetic rehashes of endless better tracks from previous albums just didn't cut it for me. So there were one or two decent tracks, the odd cool solo, but it just sounded so rushed, under-developed and half finished. Even Frank's vocals sounded like they were recorded in one take.
I really hope we get another album from them if they're planning on making a go of this comeback supported by so much goodwill and affection for the band. But `VIsionary' is just a case of `Must Try Harder', I suppose?
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Posted: November 06 2012 at 01:43
I definately go for `Metromania' as well! OK, so `Nightriders' is a little basic and rubbish, but I find the cold and metallic production of the album just heightens the `sci-fi' trademark sound of the band!
Yeah, they recorded plenty of better albums, but Eloy was mostly pretty consistent....and `Metromania' is certainly much better than either `Destination' or the most recent tired dud `Visionary'!
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Posted: November 05 2012 at 20:21
Wow, that's harsh. I guess it maybe a question of timing. I bought Metromania about the time it came out and it's been one of my favourite albums ever since. It was only upon talking to someone else much younger who remarked, "that's sooooo 80's" that made me take another look. (I'm listening to it now). Yes, it is of it's time, the drumming especially. However I still find it a very powerfull album and not sterile at all. Although, on the other hand I can still see where you're coming from. Does that make sense? I wonder if I were to hear that album for the first time now, if I would still have the same opinion.
I first heard Planets only a few years ago and was saddly disappointed. First track was ok then it degenerated into cheesy strings. The irony is that I find it's companion Time to Turn a near masterpiece.
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Posted: November 03 2012 at 05:22
On the bright side
Here are reviews on the two compilations available i love so much:
****
This is the first volume of the 2 volume set
that goes through the Eloy highlights in chronological order. Of course I have
all the material on the original albums as a bonafide Eloy addict, but I love
hearing it jammed together on this one CD, similar to volume 2. It is fantastic
music and I love listening to this on repeat often on any given day. The three
albums represented are all masterpieces so I can’t argue with any of the
tracks, in fact they are well chosen and are a must for those wishing to dip
their toes into Eloy’s back catalogue. It doesn’t get much better than this
music.
From the brilliant “Inside” are ‘Future City,
sounding more like Jethro Tull in the intro until the cool riff locks in, and ‘The Light from Deep Darkness’ has some
challenging musicianship. From the stunning album “Floating” is my favourite Eloy
track, the one that led me to them, ‘Castle in the Air’; sheer genius musicianship
with killer riffs and incredible melodic rock that never fails to lock into my
brain. Also we have ‘Madhouse’, a heavier Eloy on show here with extended lead
soloing and drumming. Then from “Power and the Passion” are the classics, ‘Love
Over Six Centuries; ‘Mutiny’, ‘The Bells of Notre Dame’, ‘Daybreak; the 1970 single,
and ‘Journey into 1358’.
Overall this compilation captures a heavier
side of Eloy but it is wonderful to hear for those who like creative riffs mixed
with beautiful ambience. 4 stars for the brilliant music throughout but the
original albums are definitely worth getting hold of if you can afford it.
****
A nice cheap pick up with the best of three of Eloy’s most impressive
albums is a great starter kit for those new to Eloy. The three albums
represented are masterpieces in their own right and it is odd to hear them out
of context jammed onto one album, but it is no less a pleasant experience as
the songs hold up on every listen. As soon as that killer riff begins on
Between the times, from “Dawn”, I am hooked. The vocals of Frank Bournemann are
like an old friend as I have grown so used to them and he is in his element
here.
After the four wonderful “Dawn” tracks we move
to the incredible “Ocean” album. The song represented on this compilation is
‘Decay of the logos’. My favourite track from “Dawn” is this choice with a grand
intro, pulsing bass, and incredible atmospheres including howling wind. The terrific
singing backs up a powerful structure of melodic themes and soloing. The main
melody is well executed and again grows on me with every listen.
The next album represented is the brilliant “Silent Cries and
Mighty Echoes” with the dreamy ‘Astral entrance
/ Master of sensation’ and then followed by the masterpiece suite ‘The
apocalypse’, all 14:53 of it! It is absolutely mesmirising music, the best of
Eloy undoubtedly. This music moves me so much and stirs my soul on every
listen. I can’t get enough of it, the music is all brilliant, so this
compilation deserves 4 stars in my opinion.
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Posted: November 03 2012 at 04:06
Finally got Metromania
My review is here
'Metromania' is the sound of Eloy in 1984 and as a mega fan of the group I was not impressed with this direction of the band. They sound like they were swallowed by 80s synthesizers and spat out into a commercial radio station. It begins immediately with retro 80s synth, on 'Escape To The Heights', a jumpy upbeat song that grows on me very quickly. The sound is very different of course from the 70s Eloy but it is nowhere as innovative. I enjoy the vocals on this one though with that strong melody. The keyboards are too chimey and sound like Depeche Mode or Gary Numan of the era, yet Eloy are capable of more complex passages of instrumentation.
Seeds Of Creation continues the synthetic drum sounds and crystalline 80s sound and then there are some female chorus voices to contend with. I still like Frank Bornemann's vocals that feel like an old friend I have become so accustomed to them. The section that says 'stand back stand back' sounds familiar in the melody and I am not sure where I have heard it. The violin sounds are nice on this track and it is certainly not a bad song, one of the better ones on offer here. All Life Is One begins with piano flourishes, and that 80s synth drum sound resounds that is annoying these days. The synths and vocoder spacey effects are quite effective, but the sound is worse than the 80s Genesis pap. It drags on interminably with a crawling tempo and bright synths inundating the scape. By the time the lead guitar breaks through I have lost interest. The sound is so tinny and no low end bass just a treble drenched metronomic synth drum
The Stranger has a sharper sound, cool guitar chugging, and the melody chimes nicely. The icey synths dominate but I like the way the guitar answers in angry distortion blasts. A definite highlight on this mediocre collection, and the muscular lead break helps to empower the sterile production sound. Follow The Light is a lengthy song (9:37) so I was expecting some instrumental freakouts and jamming as in the golden era of Eloy. It begins with a synth sound that sounds like Gary Numan entered the studio and took over. I love Numan, a progenitor of synth and electronica, but I didn't expect Eloy to ever sound like this. The voice is mixed under the loud synths and it has an odd sequencer layer, with a spacey texture. It gets into Hawkwind territory with more space rock atmospheres, then it diverts into a cool groove with pulsing bass and drum. The female voices are as bad as when Numan used them on 'The Fury' or 'Metal Rhythm', the worst of his 80s era. It seemed all music of the mid 80s had to survive this kitsch style and chiming cheesy music does not help either. Somehow this still has a nice effect on the album and becomes another of the better songs, thanks to it's cool melodic anthemic nature that is maddeningly infectious. Nightriders is also long (9:39) and has a plodding tempo and synth drums throughout. The lead break is a major asset but it does not last long. This feels like Genesis' Invisible Touch era, that was interminable, but I actually love the rhythm on this and it could have rocked if the production could get their hands on the bass knob instead of the treble. That engineer should be lynched for this mess.
Metromania closes the album with another blast of commercial 80s sounds and is not one that I can recommend. It has a sequenced synth but awful keyboards wreck the song, sounding worse than 80s Yes or Genesis.
Overall this is a new direction for Eloy after a wonderful 70s period where masterpieces abounded. It feels completely dated with that unmistakeable dreadful 80s sound with crystal clear synthetic production; everything is hospital white sterile and engineered with treble that pierces the ears. It needs more grunt and power and creative juices, this music does not have enough power to blow the fluff off a peanut. Eloy play it very safe with this album and I am not used to that from these innovative masters. It is far more recommended to listen to their first 7 albums that are veritable master class releases showcasing the very best of Eloy. Do not make this album a starting point as it might put you off for life. 2 and a half stars at most, but to warn off those wanting Eloy at their best I am giving this 2.
Edited by AtomicCrimsonRush - November 03 2012 at 05:20
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- and once you've got Bornermann's epic guitar playing and THAT voice, it's still very recognisable as Eloy!
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