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Points: 15402 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 21 2018 at 10:51
I tend to agree with the premise of this article casting doubt on any blame being assigned so quickly. Remember that premature speculation is what led to the disastrous Iraq war based on completely fictious claims.

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If it takes the OPCW  "two to three weeks" to figure out the chemical formula of a "nerve gas" ...How did Theresa May know it was a "Russian Nerve Gas" ?

Its because she is in the 'inner circle'. I happen to know this because a girl I know knows about these things and she told me about it.
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Originally posted by omphaloskepsis omphaloskepsis wrote:

 
http://www.xinhuanet.com/english/2018-03/21/c_137053509.htm

"UNITED NATIONS, March 20 (Xinhua) -- A team of experts from the Hague-based Organization for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons (OPCW) are collecting samples of the poisoning of a former Russian spy in southern England and the chemical used could be determined in three weeks, said Ahmet Uzumcu, the head of the OPCW, on Tuesday.

The samples will be sent to designated labs for analysis, which may take two to three weeks. Once the results were determined, they will be shared with the British government, the director-general told reporters at UN Headquarters in New York."


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If it takes the OPCW  "two to three weeks" to figure out the chemical formula of a "nerve gas" ...How did Theresa May know it was a "Russian Nerve Gas" ?


Some quick research on Novichok tells me that information on how it is identified is not publicly available, but the fact that even experts that were skeptical about the involvement of the Kremlin don't seem to question this makes me think it's not so weird that they were able to identify the substance well enough and that maybe the OPCW also wants to do some more specific tests to figure out for example how long ago it was made, besides just officially verifying the substance.
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For all those who like conspiracy theories....   I read this over 20 years ago....when I was interested in such things along with aliens and ufos. (If anyone wants to buy my shelf full of weird books drop me a line.  ;) )
http://www.t0.or.at/hakimbey/conspire.htm



^ that's an intersting thoughtful article for sure. The rabbit hole was dug from the get go with absolutist framing in the title of the thread. BTW my initial responses were rather tongue-in-cheek since the whole premise of this thread began as a suspension of habeas corpus via character assassination (i know that's probably not an elible term for a nation state but comes to mind) . Therefore the entire premise opens up any other forms of speculation that obviously spiral into infinity. Having said that, many "conspiracy theories" have turned out to be true and only investigations into the possibilities are what allow such things to be proven. Think of how scientific discoveries were built on these same principles.

Edited by siLLy puPPy - March 21 2018 at 10:22

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^Heh Cindy....
I agree that aliens are out there in the Galaxy somewhere....far too big for us to be the only fish in the sea.
The UFO phenom is truly a weird bird...on multiple levels. If you want to read a very interesting book about the ufo enigma try 'Dimensions' by Dr J Vallee.



Sorry about taking the thread off topic from the 'Russian attack'.
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Originally posted by dr wu23 dr wu23 wrote:

For all those who like conspiracy theories....   I read this over 20 years ago....when I was interested in such things along with aliens and ufos. (If anyone wants to buy my shelf full of weird books drop me a line.  ;) )
http://www.t0.or.at/hakimbey/conspire.htm


ps: whenever Alex Jones or ufos come up them one knows the discussion is soon to go down the rabbit hole

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I believe aliens exist, however I feel the Universe is vast and the speed limit is LIGHT...Therefore I think it would take too much time, effort, and cost to many resources for an alien race to visit Earth. Since the game isn't worth the candle, I seriously doubt UFO's.

If aliens were to visit earth, I believe they would be something like "nano bot" Von Neumann machines.
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For all those who like conspiracy theories....   I read this over 20 years ago....when I was interested in such things along with aliens and ufos. (If anyone wants to buy my shelf full of weird books drop me a line.  ;) )
http://www.t0.or.at/hakimbey/conspire.htm


ps: whenever Alex Jones or ufos come up them one knows the discussion is soon to go down the rabbit hole

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Originally posted by progaardvark progaardvark wrote:

^No, not your fault. This thread got derailed when it went into "Alex Jones" territory back on pages 2 and 3.

Correction. It entered Alex Jones territory when the thread was created. The entire premise of the thread is a conspiracy THEORY.

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Originally posted by progaardvark progaardvark wrote:

^No, not your fault. This thread got derailed when it went into "Alex Jones" territory back on pages 2 and 3.
I thought this thread was about conspiracy theories! I should have looked at the title posting! Embarrassed
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http://www.xinhuanet.com/english/2018-03/21/c_137053509.htm

"UNITED NATIONS, March 20 (Xinhua) -- A team of experts from the Hague-based Organization for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons (OPCW) are collecting samples of the poisoning of a former Russian spy in southern England and the chemical used could be determined in three weeks, said Ahmet Uzumcu, the head of the OPCW, on Tuesday.

The samples will be sent to designated labs for analysis, which may take two to three weeks. Once the results were determined, they will be shared with the British government, the director-general told reporters at UN Headquarters in New York."


Question?

If it takes the OPCW  "two to three weeks" to figure out the chemical formula of a "nerve gas" ...How did Theresa May know it was a "Russian Nerve Gas" ?




Edited by omphaloskepsis - March 21 2018 at 07:57
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^No, not your fault. This thread got derailed when it went into "Alex Jones" territory back on pages 2 and 3.
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My fault, sorry.
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Seeing that this has just turned into another weirder version of an "off at tangents" thread, I'll just do what I usually do...

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That picture reminds me that the world economy, not only US economy, has benefited tremendously (sic!) from Trumps policies in the last two weeks or so.

Ever since he's been denying the Stormy Daniels thing, the world has been doing internet research, and consequentially the sale of paper tissues has skyrocketed globally.

The downside, of course, is that 99% of evangelicals are in the process of going blind.
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Originally posted by micky micky wrote:

Originally posted by SteveG SteveG wrote:

Originally posted by micky micky wrote:

Originally posted by SteveG SteveG wrote:

Originally posted by siLLy puPPy siLLy puPPy wrote:

^ the reason i brought up my study of Russian language and culture is to give a sense of my commitment to a subject before i feel i have any authority to even have an intelligible opinion. If anything i have posted here appears as "alternative" facts to you means you simply haven't delved into this stuff as much as i have. Take it or leave it any way that you want but do realize that there are many of us out there who have derived our opinions from extensive research and not just someone else's word. I'm merely presenting things for others to investigate on their own Wink
Boy this is getting tiresome, I'm afraid. Its not your warped world views that bother me but your insistence that you have greater knowledge than those that you engage, as if the people you talk down to are dwellers in a cave. I've been a member of the Students For A Democratic Society (SDS) since 1969 and I'm the chapter's chairperson in my district right up this present moment. I believe that I've studied more political, cultural and social theories and practices than you just based on my observation of your one sided views. Again, that's not what bothers me. Only your failure to tread lightly with someone on the other side of your posts. And please keep this mind, a great amount of warped information is simply not knowledge.

not picking a side.. for that would take knowing what is going on.. but that post. Spot on frickin gold... for I recognize my own faults in your words of wisdom Steve.  There is a lot of stupidity and ignorance out there that gave us the current sh*t show we have.. the problem is .. there is so much.. it is easy to assume that most o the people you interactive with virtually are amoung the 80% that vote without considering the consequence.. that express opinions without thought.
Mea culpa my friend. Its easy for us to think that everyone on the other side of a post is an idiot based exactly on your reasoning, which is that so many people voted this clown into office that we must be interacting with some of them at least some of the time. Even with some idiots that didn't vote him in, like Sventonio! LOL

oh man...   Sventonio.. our favorite Milosevic apologist.. oh he would have loved him some Trump.  We know afterall how much Trump values strongmen, thugs and murderers more than the basic's of democracy and our f**kING constitution haha.  Wow.. am I dreaming.. oh no..  


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Originally posted by npjnpj npjnpj wrote:

Conspiracy theories - BS for people who don't realize it's BS.
Right on!
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There's a big difference between conspiracies and conspiracy theories. Too many people either confuse the two (dumbasses), or insist that one is actually the other (loonies).
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It almost doesn't matter whether something is a conspiracy or not to the extent that usually more than one person supports whatever measures were taken to whatever ends were obtained.   Spies are simply professional co-conspirators in an effort to gain national superiority.   A lot of bad stuff goes on that no one can control, "conspiracy" or not, which is why people started paying other people to go after criminals.

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Like for instance: the nerve gas attack on Salisbury was a demonstration by the Amish Patriot Alliance (look it up on Breitbart and also see Alex Jones), threatening to destroy Birmingham, Utah.

Birmingham, Utah has not been annihilated, so that's proof that the ransom has been paid in full by the Clinton Foundation from cash made through black market racketeering practices involving Russian orphans, intending to alleviate the desperate shortage of American orphans.  They come in crates, you know, smuggled in by the South Korean delegation, who are themselves secret emissaries of the Iranian regime.

See how easy it is? Put that on Facebook and Youtube, and Bob Mueller's your uncle.


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Conspiracy theories - BS for people who don't realize it's BS.
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